According to some sources, at least 1 in 8 of the world population is classified as ‘obese’. Since nobody in any government seems to have thought up a working solution, what do you believe can be done to solve the epidemic?

the alleged definition of obesity

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[–] 82 points 6 days ago (23 children)
  • Cheap access to fresh fruit and veg

  • Education for healthy eating starting in childhood

  • Public outdoor spaces that are enjoyable to exercise in

  • Cheap, frequent public transit to allow everyone to access food and public spaces

If those don’t take care of most of it we can keep going from there.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 days ago (9 children)

    And not just fresh fruit and veg, but a variety of good quality fresh fruit and veg. Red delicious apples are cheap fresh fruit, zucchini is cheap fresh veg, but you won't enjoy eating your fruit and veg if all you're getting is nasty apples and zucchini.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I feel like we could do a lot by simply removing the sales taxes from raw vegetables and non-exotic fruits.

    That would be a government subsidy, but it would be a subsidy primed to go towards the consumer.

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    [–] 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    There’s no one single approach.

    1. Stop overincentivizing HFCS; as a sugar replacement, its main feature is suppressing natural hormones that tell you “I’m full, let’s stop eating”. It’s a corn product, which often makes it a very “American” thing to support.
    2. Design walkable communities. Many people can’t schedule out time to get exercise, but should get it regularly through their job or community.
    3. Make programs designed to promote home cooking, ensuring people have time in their day to do it, adequate kitchen space, and buy-in from their family or lifemates. Many people live off take-out or ready meals, which means they don’t know what goes into it, and also don’t socialize with family.
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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    When my kids were younger we subscribed to a meal kit service. They would select from a limited menu, then we would get ingredients and instructions. It was great at teaching my kids how to cook. It was also much more efficient than trying to do the same from scratch: we already had the right amounts of all ingredients and simplified step by step. We saved time.

    However it was expensive. I wonder if some sort of subsidized service like that would help people learn how to cook and develop the habit

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    This is gonna be an unpopular take, but I vote for federally subsidized meth rations. I bet I'd be super productive and who needs sleep?

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  • [–] 33 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    Eating the rich has been shown to have a positive impact on weight loss and health in general.

    Seriously though, this is the answer. Obesity is a systemic problem.

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    [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    The education system needs to be redeveloped from the ground up. It's a 19th century system in the 21st century.

    Physical Education needs to be prioritized as does social engagement.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago*

    What needs to be done and what will be done are unfortunately never going to align as long as someone stands to get rich on it.

    What needs to be done:

    • Healthier food options
    • Healthier work/life balance
    • Education on what is healthy and unhealthy
    • Encouragement to daily physical

    Why this will never be done:

    • Too much money to be made on "tasty" premade meals, which "tasty" and "profitable" require lots of flavor enhancers and preservatives, both very calorically imbalanced / dense and also toxic in large quantities (toxicity is how preservatives work). If you don't flavor enhance, your competitor will for cheaper and people won't buy your option. Also each growing industry insisting their food in solo is the healthiest when it is not. I'm pointing at you corn and grain industries.
    • 40 hr 9-5 8/5 work week is only office workers. Servicemen and retail sales often work 10-12+ hours per day or have all hours on call.
    • points at every part of the American education system and its exported policies other countries sometimes take up
    • Point 2 is the reason a lot of people don't exercise. There is no time to do so.
    • Healthcare is expensive. When there is money to be made, it is always in healthcare. If you can't afford a consumer product, you don't buy it. If you can't afford a surgery or medicine to save your life, you die. This simple fact makes it nearly impossible to have any say in how much a treatment costs.

    This is not just an American problem. Other western countries have this issue as well, and I hope people in other nations see the danger and keep themselves healthy.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    Switch to Scientific Socialism where people aren't overworked and in deep debt over shitty capitalism.

    Whats the link? Stress, obviously.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Treating it like the multifaceted issue it is instead of a moral failing would be a start.

    In the US that would mean labor laws which favor the human instead of the business. With hours that allow more daily personal time and pay that allows prosperity even at minimum wages. These things would take care of most people.

    It would also mean medical treatment being available without burdensome cost, and with consideration to it being a mental hurdle like addiction and destigmatizing seeking aid for it in that manner. Universal healthcare removing the need/demand for private and employment tied insurance would help this as well.

    There are many more facets, and facets within facets to all of this, but from a mile high view I think this would help a lot.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (14 children)

    People don't realize* that processed food is engineered to make you eat more of it. You'll also feel like shit for at least 3 days if you start eating fresh foods and you will crave the junk (cuz it's made to be that way), but it's worth it. The price is about the same to eat if you make it from scratch, but it's so much easier than you think. Your body will thank you. Also, if you're craving something sweet, drink water.

    Examples:

    Soup

    • boil a bunch of veggies and you get veggie stock.
    • Boil the bones of your rotisserie chicken and you get chicken stock.
    • Microwave a potato and put it in a pan with your sauteed veggies, then add milk. You now have cream of type soups

    Grill

    • veggies
    • meat
    • seafood

    Baking

    These are just few.

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    [–] 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    I can tell you what I did. I went from 92 kilos to 69 kilos in a year.

    1. Nearly removed all carbs from my diet
    2. Increased diet to include vegetables and chicken and eggs
    3. Removed artificial sugar
    4. Removed all apps which allowed food delivery
    5. Went to gym 5 days a week
    6. Told myself everyday "trust the process"

    I started noticing changes after 3 months.


    Now how do you convert this into government policy? That is a huge problem altogether. Long term thinking + strong regulations. Even if you try something like this, you will be ridiculed for suggesting government overreach. At the end of the day, a diet is a personal choice.

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    [–] 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    There's not a single, one-size-fits-all solution, there's a lot of factors going into this

    In no particular order, off the top of my head, a couple things that would need to change

    1. Better nutrition/health education- a lot of people have almost no idea what eating healthy means
    2. Better labeling requirements, there's a few weird loopholes in how food and such can be labeled, and companies get away with using some pretty misleading labeling, and we need to be tightening that down so that people can actually make better informed decisions about what they're eating.
    3. Better pay and work/life balance- Planning and preparing a healthy diet takes time and money. Same with going to the gym. We need to free people up to be able to make those better, healthier choices for themselves
    4. Addressing food deserts- In some places people just may not have easier access to healthy food. If you don't drive and public transit is spotty around you, and the only stores within walking distance of your home are gas stations and convenience stores, it's going to be hard to eat a healthy diet.
    5. Pedestrian and bike friendly infrastructure- In a lot of cases, people don't walk or bike places because it's just not safe for them to do so. If you provide that opportunity for them, a lot of people will actually use it, they'll get more exercise, and save money on gas that can in turn be used for other healthier choices.
    6. Healthcare- In some cases it may mean getting things like glp-1 drugs or surgeries to aid in weight loss, in other cases it might just be checking in with a doctor or nutritionist to come up with a weight loss plan to make sure you're going about it safely and effectively. Maybe you need blood work or other tests to identify other underlying health problems, maybe you have depression or anxiety that are making it difficult for you to be motivated to go to the gym or some sort of trauma you need to work through to address an eating disorder. Whatever the person's specific needs are, they need to be able to access them.
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    [–] 7 points 5 days ago

    We can start by not eating highly processed, industrially made food-like substances.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

    Theres a whole host of issues, many of which are already mentioned, but two other big ones are treating it more as a health issue rather than a moral one, and improving healthcare - especially mental health care.

    People don't realize, but a lot of obesity cases are tied into other health issues - especially mental health. This is doubly true for more extreme cases. For a very simple example, those who are neurodivergent often struggle with specific stimulations including food textures (limiting food options), especially in combination with food deserts or areas with little selection. On the other hand, this can often be improved or worked around with medication and/or therapy. Medication such as antidepressants or antipsychotics causing weight gain is another very common example, and while it isn't as easy to avoid, better medical support can make it easier to manage, especially if you need to change diet as a result. For a more extreme example, trauma is very closely tied to weight gain and eating disorders. Watch any episode of My Six-Hundred Pound Life (or better yet, don't), and you'll notice that almost all of them have significant trauma. For example, childhood abuse can lead to difficulty self-regulating, or sexual abuse can cause someone to feel that being """ugly""" will help prevent future assaults. These examples just scratch the surface too, and things only gen messier when you have comorbid conditions. Just imagine, for example, someone with OCD affecting how they eat, depression treated with a weight-gain causing medication, and PMOS (a hormonal issue common in women, which often makes it extremely difficult to lose weight). Doctors often ignore or struggle to treat any of these individually, nonetheless all three together, and thats before we open the conversation around affordability.

    Given this, and just how sensitive and defensive humans are in general, that makes it all-the-more important that we treat people respectfully and kindly. Even ignoring basic decentcy, demonizing or mocking people for their weight delegitimises efforts to change systematic barriers, makes accessing care more difficult or unfriendly, often wastes time or confuses with "advice" that is unhelpful or outright destructive given the context of someone's medical background (I.E. telling someone with an eating disorder to control their eating more), and increases stress, which in turn, makes medical issues worse and harder to cope with. Instead, if we treat it as a medical issue, we avoid all of this and stop moralising or hurting people already struggling.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    give them all ozempic or GLP-1. almost every method, they want quick fixes, or dont want do dieting or exercising or they dont want to do it. glp-1 has a side benefit in helping with other addictions.

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    [–] 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

    This will be unpopular, but: just stop caring. Let people be whatever size, treat them equally, and don't sweat it. You may not like that but one way to solve an issue is to realize there is no issue.

    Would people be healthier if they weren't obese? Possibly. The evidence is a little mixed. I'm in the middle where I think not being obese is healthier but the effect is overblown by related factors. People would be healthier if no one drank alcohol but I don't think banning alcohol is worth it.

    (Revealing my biases: I've been extremely fit, I've also been technically obese, and I'm on a GLP-1 inhibitor because I want to lose weight. But I'm not interested in telling other people how heavy they should be)

    https://www.the-independent.com/news/health/obesity-no-crisis-regular-exercise-more-important-than-weight-fat-but-fit-professor-traci-mann-a7833306.html

    Bring on the downvotes, my body is ready.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I disagree. Obesity is medically proven to be unhealthy, and many obese people might just give up trying to improve their health, especially if they are told that there's "no issue".

    Even if we didn't care about them or their health, society at large still pays for the extra inevitable medical bills, since we can't really just stop providing healthcare for medical issues caused or exacerbated by obesity.

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    [–] 7 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I stopped eating animal products and lost 50 lbs, so that's a start

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    [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    Pay people to lose weight and then pay an even better rate for maintaining a healthy weight

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago

    Make people even poorer, so that they can transform from too poor to buy healthy food to too poor to buy food

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Teach children how to eat. In school. Countries that do this have much lower obesity rates.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    We've invented the cure to obesity. We should be dancing in the streets and throwing parades for scientists. Again. We invented the cure to obesity. It's just a distribution problem at this point. We just need to work on getting the drugs out to everyone that wants them at a price anyone can afford. Do that, and the obesity crisis is solved.

    It turns out that when you give humans calorie abundance, it just breaks a lot of our "full meters." And we can fix that with a simple shot or pill. Generations fretting and brow-beating people over morality and gluttony. Generations of forcing people to painfully starve themselves to achieve a healthy weight. Generations of shame, guilt, and cruelty. But all along, the real issue wasn't moral. It was medical. Or perhaps, historical.

    The reality is that many of us just have a part of our biology that isn't calibrated for the modern world. We have satiation systems that are designed for ages of famine. It's only in the last few centuries that food has become cheap and abundant, and it's still not that way everywhere. You take a satiation system that is evolved for an age of famine, but require it to live in an age of abundance? Obesity is the inevitable result. Sure, you can always starve yourself into a healthy weight. But the point is human beings aren't evolved to have to maintain their weight through painful conscious self-denial. We're supposed to simply eat when we're hungry and stop when we're full. That's how human beings have lived for most of history and pre-history. And until the era of modern cheap calories? Our ancestors never really had to worry about eating themselves to obesity. There was only so much honey you could get a hold of, and it required taking quite a few bee stings to get it. Maybe the Lord in his castle had to worry about obesity, but this is a burden our ancestors never had at scale. We guilt ourselves for failure to maintain healthy weights, when that's just not something humans should have to consciously do.

    But we need not accept endless calorie counting and weight maintenance through intentional starvation. We also don't need to return to an age of deprivation. We CAN have our cake and eat it to. We don't need to accept obesity or starvation. We can build a world where calories are cheap and abundant, but people can simply modify their satiation systems to achieve whatever body weight they want without conscious effort. Find a way to get these drugs to everyone. That is how you solve the obesity crisis. Some may not want to take them or have medical reasons they can't. But it doesn't matter. Imagine lamenting if we only cut the obesity rate by 80%. Simply giving these drugs out free to as many people as want them will inevitably be the most effective form of obesity intervention a government could ever do. Forget public health campaigns and presidential fitness tests. Just get people the damn medicine they need.

    We invented a miracle. Let's share the wonder.

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    [–] 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Ban every food and drink invented in the last hundred years

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    [–] 3 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Why does it need solving in the first place?

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    [–] 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I think most problems with obesity will be solved like this:

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