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[–] 382 points 6 days ago (22 children)

He said AI is helping workers produce more output, but the quality of it is so bad that their colleagues have to spend more time fixing it

Everyone predicted this. Why the fuck didn't the billionaires? What is their major malfunction?

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  • [–] 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Oh it is simple, they are fucking dumb. Always have been. If they do have some brain cells to rub together they will get stuck on short term gains for themselves which in the long run is fucking dumb.

    Either way you slice it dumb, just fucking dumb.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    We don't live in a meritocratic society, especially at the higher levels.

    Right mommy, right daddy, right school, knowing the right people, right way of talking - that's far more important to end up a CEO than competence.

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  • [–] 19 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    I'm surprised it's not more obvious. Tons of CEOs tank their companies and fail upwards into boards and other CEO positions of multi-billion dollar companies because they completely mismanaged the company but somehow rich people are geniuses?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago*

    We're all supposed to believe that the rich are rich because of their own merit and the poor are poor because of their own lack of merit, so that we don't force the rich contribute more to the public pot so that the poor aren't poor.

    So the relentless propaganda we're bombarded with in the media is that the rich are great and amazing people who got to were they are due to their hard work and intelligence (notice how Bill Gate's mother who was a member of the board of IBM was never mentioned in the press when talking about "his" success with Microsoft) whom we should all look up to whilst in the last couple of decades we've been seeing more and more in the rightwing press stories about how the poor are lazy and dependent on benefits (aka social security if in America).

    The poor aren't the ones who own TV Channels, Newspapers and (in countries that have that) end up in the boards of publicly owned TV Channels and Newspapers.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago*

    I got let go from a job about a year ago because I said this and showed the data to support my claim in reaponse to why it was taking me a while to complete some work. I was "not a good culture fit"

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  • [–] 20 points 6 days ago

    They think it’s worth it to scare employees and suppress wages.

    Even if it costs more to fix the mistakes it might actually be cheaper if people don’t win wage increases and layoffs continue.

    I’m not saying this will work but it seems to be at least part of the logic.

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    [–] 158 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    CEO Tobias Lütke... told employees last year that using AI is "a baseline expectation," and they should first prove they "cannot get what they want done using AI" before asking for more resources.

    Isn't this an example of Play stupid games, win stupid prizes?

    It looks like an example of Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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    [–] 63 points 5 days ago (6 children)

    Literally a meeting at work today.

    Director: "Why was this requirement missed?"

    PM: "Well, my understanding is that AI was used to write the requirements and that AI was also used to generate the code and perform code reviews. ...So there were no actual people who understood the requirements involved in the process. Also, this seems to be becoming more and more of a problem."

    Director: "Oh. Uh... Ok. Maybe don't bring up "AI" whenever you discuss this with senior management because I'm not sure how well that will go over. Just say, 'the requirements were missed.'"

    PM: ....

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    [–] 94 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

    With CEOs - we need to switch to REAL grenades.

    Tobias Lütke's net worth is over 12 billion, like all billionaires he won't have an income. He'll be buying assets at an inflated price then taking out bank loans against them - a process that inflates prices on things like realestate and land (because the more they pay the more they can borrow from the bank).

    Billionaires do this to avoid income taxes. They want to be paid in stocks, assets, and live tax free off never ending bank loans. He'll they'll buy media companies just to borrow against them, they'll buy lobbying companies... And they'll use them to make society worse (on top of the inflation they create).

    ....and the increased roads, infrastructure, costs to the community? Who covers their tax burden? That hole in the tax system? They use tax loopholes, so YOU cover their tax burdens. YOU do.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    Billionaires do this to avoid income taxes.

    The most infuriating part of this? Mr. Lütke endorses the idea of granting more votes to those who pay more income tax, including stripping the right to vote from people who do not pay income tax.

    He has also called pensioners 'dependents' who shouldn't get to vote:

    New deal: when you get your pension deal it’s locked in and guaranteed. But now you are a dependent and that means no voting, just like dependents under age. Enjoy the deal, let people with a stake in the future decide.

    Sources: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/shopify-ceo-endorses-idea-to-give-more-votes-to-wealthy-canadians-9.7286688

    https://moneywise.com/news/top-stories/shopify-ceo-tobi-lutke-pensioners-voting-rights

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  • [–] 37 points 5 days ago

    Dude donated a shit ton of money to slop Linux (omarchy). What did he expect?

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  • [–] 29 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Maybe you shouldn't have insisted your employees use it then, in the hopes that you'd be able to fire most of them.

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  • [–] 57 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    I spent half my day dealing with a slop grenade.

    Someone came in and dropped a (bunch of) AI generated PRs. Said person knows nothing about my world, but they want cost optimization and Fable runs through logs and gives them code. Second Fable review agent tries the code, it doesn’t work. Gives suggestions to first. New commit comes in with workaround, I decline this because it’s a shit and had another unnoticed critical integration bug. This goes on a few more times.

    It comes back a fifth or so time with something that is now technically correct, but fucking horrifying. Great, now I don’t know what to do, because I’m getting told it’ll fix the billing issue and this is a huge problem, but the code is insane.

    This is a cost optimization PR, advertising massive savings, but the numbers seemed way off. It turns out it looked at one day with a runaway process that racked up insane billing (90% of year-to-date total project cost) and “annualized” it, and that was the savings. But further, it calculated all the costs using the wrong billing system, so all the numbers were wrong.

    When I recalculated and corrected it, the whole thing saves us $6/month, because we don’t have runaway outages very often.

    This is on top of every ticket I get is Claude generated, they never just state the fucking issue, and 100% of tickets in 2 weeks plus today I’ve received were inaccurate and wrong.

    I hate the slop. I hate the non technical users throwing the slop on me without knowing how it works.

    Take whatever prompt you put in the AI and write exactly that for the ticket content, then spend 30 seconds summarizing it into a title. I don’t care if it’s “customer wants a button that shows a cat”, just write that.

    I cannot take another “client has a load bearing contract dispute with sales. Genuinely the verdict here will secure the shape of the contract. Critically in foo.py function get_foo_blorp there is no reference to felis catus to satisfy hard customer requirement. Acceptance requirement: return felis catus when module controller clicked and client is logged in and client’s birthday is in same month, otherwise return error codes 412 404 526” word salad ticket that doesn’t just state the problem.

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    [–] 48 points 6 days ago (6 children)

    Lmao I am living this right now at work 🥲

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  • [–] 28 points 6 days ago

    Well, yeah, the problem with LLMs in a professional context is exactly that the second order effects of using them are so bad that they wipe out the direct effect gains (the time saving in creating the text).

    It's fine for entertainment if all you want is to be distracted for a while with some somewhat bland chewing-gum for the brain.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 days ago

    They are hyping themselves. So is Fortune.

    We all told you it was vaporware and you wanted to ride that bubble. Don't pretend any of this was a surprise.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

    I'm finding it hard to reconcile the people who find it useless with those who find it useful. My own experience with languages is that it speeds me up for tasks I have the skills to verify, but with ones I don't it can slow me down doing the verification and fixes.

    I know software developers in a Fortune 500 company who swear that overall they are far more productive with "agents". I don't know if it's a highly tailored system rather than the more all-purpose ones the general public have. So I do wonder if there are use cases for it.

    It's ruining the planet and our societies, though. And it's distracting us from what really matters. Net negative for sure.

    Edit: they're also not very good at their most basic tasks. Researchers have found that when the major LLMs summarise articles, it misrepresents the facts 51% of the time.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah strong black/white opinions on AI annoy the hell out of me. I find some AI tooling really helpful like fancy line completions and using conversationalLLMs as a last resort to solving problems, but I hate anything to do with agents or vibe coding in general if only just because I don't want the field I enjoy so much being entirely replaced with being a project manager for a computer.

    It makes me frustrated trying to talk about this stuff on Lemmy or other places though because it always ends up being two battling sides of "A SINGLE GENERATED CHARACTER MEANS THE ENTIRE PROJECT IS SLOP!!!" and "ANYONE WHO ISN'T VIBING OUT MILLIONS OF LOC WITH 100 DIFFERENT AGENTS GOING AT ONCE MAY AS WELL JUST KILL THEMSELVES!!!"

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    [–] 15 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    You shouldn’t expect AI to generate a finished work product yet. If you’re forcing employees to use it, teach them to used it as a starting point and then put their own personal touch on it.

    If you’re making a deck, have AI generate the bones, you add the details, then polish it up with AI if you want it to look fancy. If you expect it to turn a bunch of docs into a presentation only using prompts, you’re going to have a bad time.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    The problem in my experience isn't as much the work forcing it, it is the people who are very enthusiastic because they didn't know what to do and now they think the AI does it for them, but they still have bad ideas.

    Think of the person who has this "great app idea" but just needs a developer to write it. Well now these messes are having GenAI churn out... something. They don't know if it works or not, but now all they need is someone to help finish off the "essentially done" work, or to accept the pull request the AI generated for your project.

    Similar story for the creative content like videos and text. These people were limited by not having enough care to bother to learn or invest the time, but they thought they had amazing ideas. Now we see their uninspired slop bright to life in painful time killing form. The ones that might use it as just an accelerator but care about the output are drowned out by the "prompt and it's done" folks that just don't care.

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  • [–] 39 points 6 days ago (4 children)

    The "purpose" for AI (the reason it is being FORCED on us) is that it allows "wealth" to access "skill" while at the same time keeping skilled people away from wealth.

    NOW what billionaire would not want that?

    What poor person would want that?

    See the problem yet?

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    [–] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Yeah, good employees state their grievance, but if management insists, they just go into bot mode and do what has been commanded until they switch jobs. And bad employees are happy to blame AI.
    So if management demands use of AI rather than just offering AI as yet another tool that may or may not be used at the discretion of the employee, output quality will either stay the same or degrade because AI can't do the actually important job - quality assurance.

    The moral of the story: if you aren't actually experienced doing the job yourself, do not tell your workers how to do the job. Trust your senior workers to do that.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 days ago* (1 child)

    This is actually an argument I was having about two hours ago with my managers. They want to replace a bunch of low level workers with AI, and have the remaining low level workers use the AI to do the job of the lost workers. Their justification for this is that the engineers have been using AI for over a year now and performance has improved, (I don't actually know if performance has improved, but they say it has).

    And what you said was basically my point, sure performance improves when engineers use AI because the people using the AI, are engineers, they can tell when the AI has given them something worth working with, and they can tell when it hasn't. The low level workers can't do that, I had an argument with one of them this morning because they kept insisting that the computer tower was a CPU, and kept calling it that. How is someone like that going to be able to tell if the AI has given them good output or not?

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  • [–] 14 points 5 days ago

    You asked for it, you got it.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    "SHIP MORE CODE!!! NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!" - CEOs

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    [–] 22 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Wasn't Shopify one of the first companies to go all in on an AI infrastructure? I seemed to recall reading that about a year or two ago.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 days ago

    how else is ai slop going to be monetized? more slop more hallucinations more bubble.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Along similar lines, I’ve started calling it “copyslop” when someone dumps ai garbage into my comms.

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    [–] 18 points 6 days ago

    Ok then why did you give money to your friend DHH for Omarchy? it's literally a slop vibe coded "distro".

    Because of the complete vibe coding of Omarchy it takes longer the configure it than any other distro with a WM. I mean hell the AI cut the Hyperland config up into 6 damn LUA files AND THEN you have to unbind everything and rebind it as opposed to ONE file that you can literally just swap out binds. And yet you gave the guy a couple million for it.

    So I'm so sorry Tobias but you did this to yourself. you were one of the first to embrace AI completely and use it completely wrong and now you're whining about it and you continue to fund it. you can't have it both ways bud.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    What I really want to know is, were the people putting out workslop, putting out anything better BEFORE AI. I mean, maybe they are just using a different tool to suck.

    I think instead of stating that their performance was going to be measured by the quantitative measure of how much AI they used, instead of the qualitative measure of output, while making AI available to them, the CEO might have seen different results.

    It's almost like malicious compliance. "Hey everyone, do this." Then they all do JUST that. What would you expect? LOL.

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