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[–] 210 points 1 week ago (14 children)

the measure is primarily intended to prevent third parties from buying lower-capacity boards, replacing their RAM with cheaper parts of uncertain origin and then reselling the modified hardware as a higher-capacity model. The company argues that such modified boards have not undergone its validation process and could subsequently generate support requests if unstable memory is blamed on the company.

The solution to this decidedly rare problem is authorized resellers, not an arbitrary block on a very technically demanding upgrade.

That's assuming this is the actual problem though. If the problem is actually "We want to make more money by charging extra for 'enthusiast models'" then this is the correct tactic to ensure that you aren't undercut by cheap labor.

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  • [–] 98 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Their excuse definitely smells like bullshit. It just seems they want to do the Apple thing of making sure they get the money for the upgrade, plus a premium. Except even Apple has a technical reason they don't allow upgrades, which Raspberry Pi doesn't.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    They already have authorized resellers, who they link to on their website. This problem would only come from unauthorized resellers, who would not qualify for warranty service. It might not help software support requests, but I don’t know how much support they offer for software since I don’t think they’re supplied with any. Anything hardware they should be asking for a receipt from an authorized reseller, and if the customer can’t provide it then it’s not covered by the warranty. And even if the customer can provide a receipt from an authorized reseller in their name, if it comes in for repair and has the wrong RAM then it’s not a warranty repair anyway (although I’m guessing for something this inexpensive they don’t repair individual units, they probably just send a replacement, so the counterfeit parts might not get noticed).

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    From a consumer freedom standpoint this is shitty. And it does allow them to sell an enthusiast model at a premium without competing with an after market modder.

    But two things can be true. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable for the company to want to protect the integrity of the brand if unreliable after market sellers start releasing bad product indistinguishable from your own with your logo slapped on it.

    Even if you have authorized resellers entrusted with doing the upgrades and audited for quality, if you leave the door open, there will be unauthorized mods on the market too. It does hurt not only Raspberry Pi, but the entire resell market if you can't trust the product to have their expected standard of quality. It still sucks, but I at least get the justification.

    A few years back, I worked in an assembly plant for a car company. One time when I was doing a quality containment, I found out that something like 30-50 cars were found to have a very slightly misaligned roof piece when it was welded, and it causes a slight, but visible warp in the roof. It was otherwise fine. Still water proof, still structurally sound, just a cosmetic defect. They were all quarantined to be stripped of any easily removable components and then the remaining parts and body would be scrapped.

    I asked why? Even if they didn't want to put them out to dealers with a visible defect, they were still safe and functional. They could still offer them to employees for sale at a discount and make far more back for them than its value as scrap. The answer was that it could hurt the value of the brand as a whole if low quality cars were put on the market, even if only for resale. It was worth the loss of these 30+ cars to maintain a consumer's high expectation of quality.

    I still think it may have been better to allow employees an opportunity to get a new vehicle at a great price with only a cosmetic defect. But I do get the competing concern there. You do want things you buy from a big company to have reliable quality.

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    [–] 184 points 1 week ago (18 children)

    They've completely lost the plot. Raspberry Pi was founded on the principle of hacking, education, and doing more with less. It's their DNA, but now it's clear all they give a shit about is money. They are corporate garbage now, like so many other organizations in the FOSS community that gave up freedom and openness for the Almighty dollar (or pound in this case).

    Eben Upton can suck my soldering iron.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (16 children)

    Are there any companies that make comparable products? I've been thinking of making a simple and small and low power media computer and I'd rather it not be a raspberry pi anymore

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

    Orange Pi, Banana Pi, plenty of other Chinese SBC makers who products don't necessarilly have names ending in Pi. Tons of those in places like Aliexpress. You can even try a Risk-V architecture if you're daring.

    The problem is that their english language support is inferior, as is the software stack, plus the ecosystem is a lot smaller so there's a lot less info on those from other people out there. That said, as far as I can tell all of them have at least one Linux distro (at the very least ARMbian), some having more distros.

    Still, it would be fine if all you want is a small computer with HDMI to turn it into a media player using Linux and something like Kodi.

    Alternativelly, just get a Mini-PC with a low power intel chip like the N100 - which is actually cheaper than a Raspberri Pi 5 whilst being more powerful and with better peripheral compatibility since it has a PC architecture - and put the Linux with Kodi in it. Sure, it uses more power because it's not ARM, but not actually that much more (15w vs 8w for a Pi, if I remember it correctly).

    Raspberri Pi devices are maybe twice the price of other devices with equivalent hardware, which means that the low-end low-power Mini-PCs are cheaper and yet more powerful and compatible than the high end Pi.

    I have a mini PC just like that at home working as a TV Media Player (which a nice remote control and everything) and I even use it as a home server and home nas (remotelly controlled via web interfaces and SSH) since it's has far more power than needed for just being a media player.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    So do we own the pi that we bought or does Raspberry Pi?

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

    First time?

    /j

    Srs, I don’t think I’ve ever owned a consumer device that, as the other person points out, didn’t have blobs inside from the factory. Sure, ive manually replaced the BIOS with Libreboot and switched to blobless (software) WiFi chips, but then what about the EC blobs? The keyboard and mouse? If being fully FOSS predicates ownership, I don’t think any of us own our devices

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  • [–] 61 points 1 week ago

    Enshitification will continue until morale improves

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  • [–] 55 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Another win for mini PCs. Pis priced themselves out of the market since pi4-pi5 imo

    I can get a second hand mini pc or Optiplex for much cheaper, and with quick sync

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago

    yep and I/O isn't terrible to add. A CP2112 USB <--> I2C module is like $5 on amazon (and way less on AliExpress) and gets you an I2C port and a few GPIO all controllable through Python or libusb. The FT232H or CH347 modules are similar and offer SPI as well.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 week ago (8 children)
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    [–] 47 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    The behaviour is particularly interesting because physically replacing the memory on a Raspberry Pi is already well outside the scope of an ordinary upgrade.

    I mean... aren't hackers the target audience for Raspberry Pis?

    Yeah, if the reasoning they give isn't just straight bullshit, then I guess I don't want to see them drown in support tickets. But it also seems like this move runs pretty counter to the whole point of the Raspberry Pi.

    (Plus, can't resellers buy 2GB models, redo some of the screen printing, and sell them as 8GB models without even trying to upgrade the RAM to 8GB? That seems at least as bad as getting a Raspberry Pi with a dodgy 8GB RAM chip.)

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    Yeah, it sure is. It's a hobbyist product and they took away my ability to upgrade it. After 14 years of buying these boards, they decided now, during a global RAM shortage, to tighten the leash...

    I can solder new RAM into my MacBook or Nvidia GPU, but Raspberry Pi is the first to implement physical locks preventing RAM upgrades. What a fucking joke.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 week ago (1 child)
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    [–] 30 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I can't solder to save my life, but this still makes me take them off the list for potential future boards.

    Granted, I prerfer RISC-V where posible, but a few things still need ARM.

    Now I need to look around for a alternative to two Pi5s, the Pi4, and Pi Zero that were on my list.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (25 children)

    This makes sense. Hear me out.

    1. A CM5 is a device designed to be embedded into other devices. I believe most of their sales come from just that- companies that make other things, and build a CM5 into them rather than design their own control board.

    2. As you go up through the model tiers, the price increases faster than the added price of memory. IE, if the 2gb one is $20, and the difference between a 2gb memory chip and an 8gb memory chip is $10, the 8gb unit isn't $30 it's $60. You pay RPi a premium for the high end products.

    3. Desoldering RAM off a production PCB is something no hobbyist is going to bother with. BUT, a company buying 10,000 of these to build into their product MIGHT find it cost effective to setup a production line to do so. And they could probably resell the 2gb chips.

    Point being- while I don't like this, and I don't like the ideas it represents, I also understand why they are doing it. It's not about us, the hobbyists. It's about the manufacturers that build compute modules into their products.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    enshitification always makes sense. Hear me out.

    1. Company needs to make more money
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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago
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    shittification of technology by the ai companies much less innovation much higher cost much higher inflation caused by ai NOT deflation as elon and trump promised by ai. more gas lighting more hot air. less and less productivity.

    also raspberry pi is made for the DIY community else just buy a PC delusional doesn't even know what their product is and was built for. my how the new culture are so far away from its roots after getting popular. this is why never ever let them become too big to not care about their core like all fang stonks and nvda google meta apple microsoft amazon all need to be canceled culturally. have no loyalty to any of them unless they give much better prices and product the answer is no and lower your prices.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm not really familiar with this industry, but as far as I know, there are quite a few pi-named alternatives from China. Banana Pi, Orange Pi, Lichee Pi, and there are probably more. Unless there's something only Raspberry Pi can offer, this looks suicide to me.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    There are a lot of them but most suffer from chinese hardware support problem (e.g. they are unsopported beyond what did they ship with softwarewise, provide close to zero documentation, and have dozens models sold at any one time), rpi themselves aren't all that libre and always shipped with blobs and had bullshit excuses about it. Anyway rp2350 is the best thing that raspberry produces right now.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    might as well just buy a normal laptop(or something used) then or smth if i decide this restriction is not fine,
    also RPI5 8gb ram for 150~ usd alone is not worth it anymore, 80 usd was fine.

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    [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    You either die a hero or live long enough to become a villain.

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