we’re launching our own privacy-preserving approach: one that reflects your feedback.

Not that I trust their privacy-preserving approach considering what got leaked the last time they tried it.

all 49 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

Why does it feel like this has happened every couple months for the last 2 years?

  • source
  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I knew about Discord since the very beginning. But it felt always fishy. Why would they provide a service for frees? Teamspeak servers cost money on a monthly basis?

    Over the time more and more small communities i liked to interact with were only accessible via Discord. Which was alright because you didnt even need an account to do it. Jump in, do the thing and fuck off.

    At some point it was just convenient to make an account with an email adress i dont even remember anymore. Just to keep up with all the niche interest groups. Then a lot of them started to require my phone number. lmao. I just left those "servers".

    But ngl over the years i found some communities which will hurt to abandon. The network effect is real. But its maybe time to fuck off forever.

  • source
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago*

    I mean they shipped an increbible product. When out alternatives were Zoom, with no commhnity functionality, teamspeak with no streaming or video, or something like slack maybe for coordi ation, they stuck it all together and made it work. It is without exaggeration the perfect vehicle for everything ICQ and other bespoke instant messaging widgets started almost 40 years ago.

    So yeah but of course if you have something everyone wants the tendency is to monitize it until it's a husk of its original intention. So it goes. I'm waiting for the next alternative that people want to actually shift to but I'm not giving them my money. In the meantime my actual RL commhnities are all here and they're not Meta-tier evil yet so I fon't have a problem with staying for now.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The base tier is free. If you want the flashy features, you have to subscribe. Most people want those features.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    More and more features have moved behind that paywall. Streaming 1080, for instance, used to be free.

    What has been most concerning to me about Discord was the trial of a call timer on random servers. By now this may of expanded to all servers, not sure. My thinking is how long until they are charging us for minutes like the phone companies did? Or more likely, giving unlimited minutes only to nitro subscribers.

    I'm done with it, I set up my own teamspeak server like the good ol' days.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (22 children)

    Fluxer has been an adequate replacement for my ttrpg group, for anyone else looking for alternatives.

  • source
  • hideshow 22 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've been using fluxer for a little while now, and it is pretty good! Though I'm looking forward to bug fixes for the screensharing and eventually federation being introduced

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Screensharing definitely could use some work. They've improved the app a lot over the six or so months we've been using it. We absolutely still have some hiccups but worth it to ditch Discord.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (7 children)

    It is pure Ai slop that won't be around in 3 years. I am open to counter arguments.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I looked up their GitHub repo and I don't see the "agents.md" file, AI/LLM disclosures nor signs of LLMs in the commit history. Is there any source of information on Fluxer being slop?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 4 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    When I read the repo a few months ago, I saw one guy added more than 1m of code. They are deceiving everyone and should be punished.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Isn't this because Fluxer source code was published after the app has been launched?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I checked again today and it is 11m lines of code added. Do people not understand what it takes to code 1 million lines? PostgreSQL is around 1m. PHP the language and runtime are 1m. The man hours required for that much code is ridiculous.

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

    Slop project, not sustainable. Matrix is the way.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 11 child comments
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Matrix unfortunately wasn't going to work for my group.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 7 child comments
  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    …here we go. I have this discussion like once a week and most of the reasons stated are things that have been fixed years ago. Is this still the case, with the actual matrix specification?

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 6 child comments
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Is this still the case, with the actual matrix specification?

    I'm currently hosting a matrix instance but haven't been able to get my friends to migrate over from Discord yet. The spec isn't the problem for us, it's the apps really. We have a seemingly basic discord server (channels for various hobbies/games we want to talk about + a general channel, a voice chat, and some custom meme emotes we made). In theory these should all be supported on the spec level.

    Element has a ton of basic features locked behind a hidden developer menu (separate from the non-hidden developer menu) which is locked behind a / command. By default the app keeps defaulting to the old Jitsi meetings for voice calls even though I have the RTC matrix calling setup. It's also just finicky to get working. I'm the only one in the group willing to debug technical issues in their free time so this is actually an issue.

    Cinny is better but the desktop app only supports voice chat on Windows (it's because of an upstream tauri issue but still stops several people in the group from being able to use it)

    Nheko also seemed like a good option but it hasn't had a release in over a year which seems like a problem with how many improvements to matrix I've seen everywhere else.

    FluffyChat is good and is what I use on my phone but it isn't well suited for discord-style organization with Spaces. There isn't a way to distinguish between standalone rooms and rooms withthin spaces. My understanding was that this is a spec issue and the way other apps handle it is hacky, but still worth mentioning.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 3 child comments
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Fluffychat can see spaces if you swipe from the left side of the screen

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You can see spaces but it doesn't make a distinction between rooms in spaces and standalone rooms, so the "groups" tab ends up being filled with every room from every space you're in, making it impossible to find the lone standalone rooms. That and the fact that it also lists nested spaces completely separately from their parents, which ends up cluttering the list when a space used nested spaces to categorize individual rooms

  • source
  • parent
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Matrix is good. But its way too secure for my liking. Every time I log into a new device, I need to either use a previous device to verify, or add the new device by erasing my previous messages.

    I am not recommending Matrix at all to someone who is not good at the computers mainly for this reason.

    It has good, stable, and large enough communities however.

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    And I still won’t do it. If they try to shove it down my throat then I’ll stop using it. I don’t need discord. No one does. That’s what they don’t get.

  • source
  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)
  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    The second I knew they were going to roll over and comply, I simply said goodbye to Discord. It was just going to get worse, given how easily they get breeched and malicious actors can get access to stored information, I don't need to be part of that.

  • source
  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    My account is over 11 years old and still cannot see nsfw. Need to be 13 to start using discord so it should automatically age verify me to 24+. But they just want an excuse to track people 100%

  • source
  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago
    [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I hate discord but I can’t convince the people I talk to to go elsewhere. And discord just this evening said my account of nine years is too young to see nsfw channels. Par for the course

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Discord helps creating the problem, and gleefully announces a "least bad" option after laws are in place. Hmm.

  • source
  • hideshow 1 child comment
  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    So what you are saying is your initial version violated our privacy? Tell us more discord, how EXACTLY did it infringe on our privacy? What made you say that? We want to hear it from you.

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    A good federated alternative to Discord is Movim.

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    This sucks but isn't surprising.

    It's frustrating though, because getting friends to use anything else, let alone bigger communities that i follow, is nigh impossible.

  • source
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    discord ain't even loading for me, so I think I've already been cut off

  • source
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Fluxer. We switch to Fluxer.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Jammi anybody? I just installed it.

  • source
  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I can't believe any of you people have accounts left. Didn't you delete it after the last round of bullshit? Frankly if you stuck around you deserve bad things happening to you.

  • source
  • hideshow 2 child comments
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    The last round of bullshit was "oopsie" rolled back and the movement lost momentum

    Some nice communities literally only exist on discord. Goes for a lot of modern software

    Direct laid back communication between communities and devs is right there

    Some Information isn't even on websites anymore or it's plain outdated and not maintained, just a link to discord

    We're fucked. That's thingie number 3373838 self respecting people should have left ages ago. Meanwhile most people religiously use instagram and whatsapp every waking hour of their day

  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 1 child comment