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[–] 225 points 5 days ago (32 children)

https://keepandroidopen.org/

Google says "power users" can "still install" unverified apps. Here's what that actually looks like:

Delve into System Settings, find About Phone

Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode

Dismiss scare screens about coercion

Enter your PIN

Restart the device

Wait 24 hours

Come back, dismiss more scare screens

Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely"

Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks"

Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing software on a device you own.

Worse: this flow runs entirely through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. Google can change it, tighten it, or kill it at any time, with no OS update required and no consent needed.

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  • [–] 44 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    It won't be a problem on a de-googled phone. Get it running LineageOS or GrapheneOS. Then install F-Droid (and probably Aurora store too). Some Google junk won't work, but you'll soon be more limited by having Google services on your phone than not having it.

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  • Hardly the point though. For us this is a bother at most, but we can cope because we're already doing our own thing and know what we want. Imagine trying to get your non tech-savvy friends to "sideload" (install) an app from outside the Play Store. Right now it's not a big deal, so if they're interested in the app, they'll likely install it. But this amount of friction and scary warnings is way more likely to stop them.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

    i hadnt thought about it before but i just had the realization that im not even gonna be able to have 3rd party apps AND my banking app in the same phone (cuz it doesnt like developer options being enabled). uhm shit

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago

    I unlocked my phone's bootloader. I'm on the oem OS, up to date, no root, just unlocked the bootloader. Now my device is "not certified" and a lot of apps that have no business caring about my "certification status" don't work (like my phone operator app). That's if the playstore lets me download it in the first place: "this app is not compatible with your device"

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  • [–] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

    This is why rooting is great and if you re worried about banking apps, KernelSU is very good at blocking detection and keyboxs for the hardware attestation get leaked weekly.

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    [–] 185 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

    Nice. There's just a FOSS alternative for almost everything these days. I get 80% of my apps from F-Droid.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago

    Now it will take them another decade to update apk on their website to the newest version.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 days ago (20 children)

    I've just tried it. The UX is great and the downloads are faster than ever. It's soo much better noww!

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    [–] 71 points 5 days ago (29 children)

    Isn't everybody using Droid-ify anyway?

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    [–] 4 points 3 days ago

    Wow. I was not expecting that big of a UI change upon updating F-Droid. It looks modern, I like it a lot!

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  • [–] 31 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    Can anyone ELI5 for the nontechy how things are going to work once Google rolls out the new bullshit? I'm seeing so many of my apps put out notices that they will no longer work once Google goes through with the verification system. Will I still be able to install shit through f droid?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago

    the problem here isnt that users cant do what they want, its that developers might stop developing because not enough people cant be arsed to jump through googles hoops. Everyone who can should support opensource developers more than ever now.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 days ago

    Been using it since the alpha came out, absolutely love what they've done with the app. The installation flow is much smoother with the instant prompt for confirmation, the more granular categories and improved search make browsing so much better. I tried other stores before, but I couldn't get myself to like any of the actively maintained ones, v2.0 is good for me.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 days ago

    Almost exclusively use F-Droid. Great news!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

    Still not as good as Neo Store or droid-ify.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago

    The new ui is excellent, much more approachable in my opinion

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  • [–] 12 points 4 days ago*

    I've been on neo store for a couple of years for the apps that have no APIs ready in git repos (for those, Obtainium is just the greatest). I tried the new F-Droid app, and it is way smoother than the last time I tried it, and the UI improvement is amazing. They still show you apps that haven't been maintained for over a year up front, but that's not a deal killer.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 days ago

    When you find an app, F-Droid 2.0 will make the installation process easier. Google has long put up roadblocks for sideloaded apps, citing the security implications. This is also the rationale behind its upcoming developer verification system. For now at least, apps will be easier to install from F-Droid thanks to the use of Google’s pre-approval API.

    That answers my question if those smoother installs already account for Google's insistence in making "sideloading" way more annoying. They do not.

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