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[–] 12 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Enjoy it while you can. Quantum immortality is a horror story in the long run. You can still suffer, you can still prefer to die rather than living as whatever shriveled husk you've eventually inevitably been reduced to, but in quantum immortality, you can never die -- you must stay and remain capable of observing whatever new horrors are coming your way.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    Only applies for quantum processes that kill you instantly. If you get into a branch that is guaranteed to end in your death in the future, like jumping into a black hole, your only possibility is to die.

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  • [–] -3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

    Hm... Is it technically possible -- however fantastically, ludicrously unlikely -- that quantum teleportation could transport you from inside to outside the event horizon of a black hole?

    It's all about precision of measurement, after all. You can never know exactly where a given particle is, including the particles that make up your body. However you try to measure the location of one, there's always a slight chance that it's actually somewhere else. This chance drops off dramatically through distance, but it theoretically never drops off to absolutely zero no matter how far away you look. But does the event horizon of a black hole interrupt this, creating a hard boundary in where a particle's location may or may not be observed?

    Honestly, I doubt this is answerable without a completed theory of quantum gravity, which has so far been beyond the reach of science. This is just one more instance where quantum theory and relativity theory disagree on what can/would happen, and until the two theories are reconciled, we can never really know what would happen in situations where they conflict like this.


    But is any of that even necessary? You don't instantly die when you cross the event horizon. You can still carry on observing things as you fall deeper into the black hole. When push actually comes to shove for quantum immortality is when you come up against one of the black hole's several ways of killing you. (Which one occurs first will depend on the black hole's mass and maybe also which interpretation of the physics is correct. In some interpretations of physics, it might even depend on which frame of reference you're considering it from -- an outside observer might disagree with the unlucky test subject about which happened first.)

    • Fall all the way until you're crushed into the singularity at the center?

    • Spaghettification due to extreme tidal forces pulling your lower half harder than your upper half?

    • Radiation damage due to time dilation effects blueshifting all the incoming energy from outside the black hole into deadly-powerful and concentrated x-ray radiation?

    • Radiation/heat damage from crossing through a shell of energetic photons orbiting at about the level of the event horizon?

    Quantum immortality would have to find a (statistically unlikely, but still technically possible) way for you to avoid all of these causes of death and keep you just barely alive enough to observe things. Radiation is the easiest -- just need to randomly divert enough of those radiation particles around you or tunnel them through you without touching, and you're safe from that. Not sure how quantum effects could protect you from the other two, though ... we might be getting back into the quantum gravity problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (1 child)

    Theres a real possibility that a black hole event horizon breaks down reality on a quantam level.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago

    That's just it, though -- we really don't know. We don't have a single consistent theory that can describe both quantum and relativistic effects at the same time, so in situations where both are relevant and important, we're at a bit of a loss.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago* (11 children)

    Quantum immortality has never made any sense because even if you are so delusional to believe in the multiverse interpretation of quantum mechanics, if you die there's like a near infinite number of branches where you're still alive, so how does your "soul" or whatever know which specific one of those branches to hop to? People always speak of it as if you "jump to the branch where you're still alive"... but there isn't one of them. There is an infinite number of them. So how does it pick the specific one you find yourself on?

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (9 children)

    It doesn't have to pick any specific one; any branch in which you're alive will do.

    Nobody's really "jumping", you just don't die. The universe constructs itself such that you don't die—there's nothing more to it.

    It is a funny superpower idea. Like turning invisible. Which also doesn't make any sense if you think about it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (8 children)

    It doesn’t have to pick any specific one; any branch in which you’re alive will do.

    That means it picks a branch at random, which contradictions Many Worlds' premise that the universe is fully deterministic.

    Nobody’s really “jumping”, you just don’t die.

    No, if it is real you are absolutely jumping. If I were to step in a cloning machine, there would be a clone of me. But that clone wouldn't be me because I wouldn't see out of the clones eyes. The clone would have its own experience and would go on to live its own, different life. If I suddenly died, I would not expect my consciousness to suddenly hop out of my body and take over the clones'.

    If I died I would just die. The clone would live on because the clone isn't me. Similarly, the other "yous" in different branches of the wavefunction would basically be like copies of you. They'd not be you, they'd all have their own independent lives. If you died in this branch you'd just die. To claim you continue living in another branch is equivalent to claiming your experience somehow jumps out of your body and into a clone's.

    It is a funny superpower idea. Like turning invisible. Which also doesn’t make any sense if you think about it.

    I am just saying it doesn't actually make logical sense if you take it seriously as something real. If it's just a funny comic book idea then I have no issue with it, I'm just cautioning people to not think quantum physics actually does support the idea, because some people seem to think it does.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago (7 children)

    That means it picks a branch at random, which contradictions Many Worlds' premise that the universe is fully deterministic.

    Or it picks the most convenient one. I don't know what this word 'random' means. If what you mean is 'arbitrary', there are lots of reasons you might arbitrarily pick this or that.

    To claim you continue living in another branch is equivalent to claiming your experience somehow jumps

    For one, I don't actually care. But for two, most depictions I've seen portray this as a passive effect. It is not you that moves, it is the universe that moves around you. The details of how this actually works, or doesn't, is for nerds in comic book stores to discuss.

    I'm just cautioning people to not think quantum physics actually does support the idea,

    At the risk of sounding a bit argumentative—and I really don't mean to—Who?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (6 children)

    At the risk of sounding a bit argumentative—and I really don’t mean to—Who?

    You? Why are you arguing with me then, if it's just for fun and you admit it doesn't actually make any physical sense?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (5 children)

    You think that I think quantum immortality is doable?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (4 children)

    Why are you inserting "doable" into this discussion?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (3 children)

    That would be because you said this:

    I'm just cautioning people to not think quantum physics actually does support the idea,

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    Yes we are talking about if it is actually something plausible support by quantum physics, not if you are certain you can literally do it, but if quantum physics gives any sort of legitimacy to the idea at all as a coherent possibility. It doesn't, it's quantum woo.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but I don't see anyone engaging with it on the basis of it being plausible. It's a joke super power.

    I can be more direct, if you like. I don't think that you're really cautioning anyone, I think that you just dislike the concept and want to see that sentiment reflected in other people. The same way that some people argue about whether a popular song is bad or not.

    It doesn't really matter, I suppose, I was just hoping you would see the social faux pas.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 days ago

    Ope, better check for new Mandela effects

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago

    Oh an opportunity to bring up the game Drifter. Loved the story in that and without going into too much it’s also a form of sci-fi immortality.

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