Mozilla once again notices that, in spite of the lavish salaries they heap upon their techbro executives, Firefox’s userbase continues to dwindle. Could this be because they don’t operate a monolithic surveillance advertising racket? Or maybe it’s because the corners in the UI aren’t round enough.

https://www.firefox.com/en-US/whatsnew/157/

Choice quote from that interview, which was important enough to get a big box in the release notes too:

We are bringing back compact mode as well

We removed it for absolutely no goddamn fucking reason, despite numerous objections, and now we’re bringing it back! This is called ‘listening’, you see. We are very dependable can definitely be relied upon to provide a stable browser that you won’t have to worry about.

Somehow those executives just can’t work out that unless you can advertise Firefox in all of the search engines and youtubes and gmails and docs and drives and whatever the fuck and preinstall it on all the phones, the Chrome users will not come. “Ooh shiny” is the least of anyone’s concerns.

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[–] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

I absolutely get the Mozilla hate. What I don't get is the dwindling numbers. I recently had to switch from Zen back to Firefox on my corporate laptop due to policy. Firefox really still is an excellent browser and would recommend it over Chrome. I occasionally have to open chrome and that's starting to feel more and more like explorer.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 12 hours ago

    What I don’t get is the dwindling numbers.

    Mozilla do not operate a pervasive network of internet monopolies that can relentlessly push for Firefox adoption and sabotage compatibility of other browsers. If Mozilla had any sense, they might dedicate some more budget to advocating antitrust and campaigning other counter-monopolistic policies, but instead… they want to make the corners rounder. And flip back and forth on supporting a compact layout, while deliberating over whether they need more AI or even more AI.

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  • [–] 7 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Why on EARTH did they move the FUCKING BACK BUTTON and replace it in its prior position with some FUCKING BULLSHIT USELESS sidebar button

    If I give up and become a supervillain, my primary hand-to-hand combat weapon will be a copy of the Macintosh Human Interface Guidelines laser-etched onto stainless steel plates and somehow bound in a physicalized representation of the tattered remains of these peoples' abandoned dignity

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 14 hours ago

    There are few parts I thought about sneering about in individual comments, but I think there are… enough here.

    Still, one particularly galling part was this remark by the author:

    Firefox’s new redesign is—at least to me—a welcome one. It no longer looks like a browser from 2015.

    What on earth does a ‘browser from 2015’ look like? That was barely a decade ago! You mean an interface that still managed to function rather than whatever inscrutable nonsense the phone OSes are doing this week? Who wants software that has to be completely redesigned every five years?

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  • [–] 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 child)

    @rhamph "The team that made it hopes it will help expand the browser’s audience beyond privacy-conscious techies and open-web or open source advocates[...]" For fucks sake, no. Thats firefoxes core audience and if anything they should be leaning into it more. Trying to lure normies will only drive away the core audience (we're already seeing this to an extent), And normies dont seem to care for anything that isnt ran by a company (if it is a carbon copy of what they're familiar with it's an irrelevent less popular knock off and if it's anything else that means it must be completely innaccessible unless you're some kind of tech god). Its like when applebees tried to start being a club at night, no one who wanted to go to a club wanted to go to applebees and applebees core audience didnt like that it became a club at night.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    I couldn’t care less tbh. Still a fine browser, still a great daily driver, still blocks all the ads with ublock.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago

    Was unaware of change and thought I had a virus. Looks very stupid.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    the worst part of using Firefox is mozilla

    the second worst part is mozilla fans

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    [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    And part of this is made possible by AI tools, to be honest with you. We are able to do a lot more.

    People want to feel like they’re in a modern browser—things that match the design language of the operating system. So that’s part of it. We are bringing back compact mode as well…

    firefox isnt competitive enough. @grok bring back compact mode. checkmate, chromium

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago*

    To disable the new design, simply uncheck the "Enable the Nova redesign" option (Settings > Appearance > Browser theme).

    Alternatively, set browser.nova.enabled to false in about:config.

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  • [–] 57 points 1 day ago (16 children)

    Duh. Obviously the logo is what's wrong, better redesign that too.

    No, wait, it needs AI!

    No, wait, it needs to tell me about some VPN.


    Support the specifications, be secure. Perhaps try that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I mean, can't several things be worked on at the same time?

    When funds are tight? No, they can’t. There are finite engineering resources. The more new features you add, the more bugs are introduced, and the less resources there are to fix any of them (old or new).

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  • [–] 36 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    I really can't wait for Servo to get into a usable state and have alternative browsers being build on top of that.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    How do I start using this, is it something an end user can support through adoption?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    no, it's very much not up to web standards yet. it has a super fast html renderer and css engine that support something like 70% of properties, a very barebones js runtime that has basically no browser apis, and a frontend that (i think) only takes urls via command-line.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    Honestly that description kinda makes me want to target servo for all of my hobby browser-backed UIs. Html5 with forms can do a surprising amount (albeit not always as effortlessly as just including a JavaScript library) - though I expect something like IndexedDB isn't at all available?

    EDIT: well, the servo repo has a bunch of code in a storage/engines/indexeddb folder, but the repo aussi has about 30 open issues relating to "IndexedDB" in one way or another.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    I'm currently targetting CSS 2.0 for one of my projects. I'm trying to make it work right on a 3DS, Netscape Navigator, IE and, of course, Servo, without serving custom files to each other.

    It's been incredibly annoying, but also fun to learn about standards from 1998, and how browsers handled them.

    It's also disheartening to learn that the modern web is, at its core, designed not to run on basically anything older than 2016.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The less APIs the better, some of the information my phone is giving out currently to evwry site I visit is ridiculous

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  • [–] 17 points 1 day ago*

    I got the update today and I'm so tired boss. We had almost settled on something visually calm and organized, and leeeettzzzgooooo back to floaty rounded shit with no choice left to the user !

    Blender does interface right, please for the love of Cthulhu take some inspiration: it's got a "roundedness" property for every UI widget that goes from perfectly square to perfectly round, a "widget emboss" property that can be tuned to your liking or disabled entirely, a "widget underline" property, it lets you disable button decorations as well so your toolbars are only floating icons, etc. Every combination is possible and it's very easy to tune. Please do something like that and never touch it again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    What Firefox needs is to fire everyone responsible for the UX, if they have such people on their payroll & put all their ehm "limited" resources on improving performance & some effort is also needed to become more Chromium compatible, perhaps even on a site by site basis. Alas as long as Google is the main revenue source for the project, all this is a pipe dream.

    Firefox never had other issues. Poor performance -especially JS- compared to Chromium & some websites just don't work anymore.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    gosh i hate this. gotta play with userchrome again...

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    [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    @rhamph silver lining, of sorts: compact mode is back!

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  • horrible website captcha

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