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[–] 5 points 18 hours ago

I've come for my daily dose of corporate wolf in sheep's clothing marketing. Was not upset.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    So this is a nazi-free non-slop option with an intelligent, inclusive, and compassionate community?

    Because I’ve just learned to ask up front. I have more deal breakers than just those, but few occur with the same alarming frequency

    Oh and tiling WMs are fantastic for a certain type of brain, but not for everyone. However I do believe there should be an option for everyone that isn’t some horrible ethical compromise, and unfortunately that’s just not the case.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Cosmic supports both Tiling and Floating modes. The floating mode is normal, and the Tiling is slightly less customisable than pure tiling window managers but it's pretty good while staying accessible which is what matters.

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    [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    This might make me move from KDE after their shit stance on AI.

    I just don't trust humans to prompt the gambling machines with any sort of integrity. People take shortcuts, AI now makes shortcuts super easy, addictive, and it massages your ego when you're right or wrong.

    I really don't trust LLMs as they're made now. Natural language prompting is just gambling, think about it.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Hey Claude, please write "I have not used any LLM content in the creation of this patch" on all your commits.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    Even if you don't disclose it it's immediately obvious to anyone with a brain that you haven't worked at all on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

    Studies have shown that professors can't tell apart AI from student submissions of writing. People like to believe they can recognise AI written or AI assisted code, but they are terrible at it.

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  • [–] 1 point 13 hours ago (1 child)

    For school writing, it's more difficult to know, because the subject matter is so well trodden and students writing stuff they didn't really want to write trying to "impress" a teacher with wordiness and crap has a lot of the same vibe of GenAI writing. It's mostly obvious when there is a stark style/knowledge inconsistency with your personal knowledge of the student. Personal knowledge of a student is non-existent in lecture hall sized freshman level courses.

    For code, well, at least the most problematic submissions are pretty blatanty obvious. They are obviously the result of a person asking for something nonsensical and the GenAI outputs content as consistent as possible with the stupid request, and a stupid request manifests in a very glaring way.

    Sometimes it isn't the initial submission, but the resulting dialog that betrays it. Someone submits a small patch that is... well... short and to the point but the change doesn't seem to match the reported scenario it tries to address. In pursuit of clarification it becomes pretty obvious that the problem lacked sufficient actionable info, but the GenAI operator pushed it to produce something and out came something with a rationalization that sounds plausible but isn't anything.

    Also the write up, of issues and code contributions. Humans are inclined to just make things to the point. GenAI sloperators make dissertations out of stupid simple things, with all sorts of tedious styling and crap. Frustrating because somewhere in the mess is their point, but it's buried beyond recognition.

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  • [–] 1 point 12 hours ago

    Sure, are a lot people who have no idea about programming and software development who will submit stuff, but the people who know what they are doing and using AI won't be easy to find. I say it will actually be impossible unless they openly say it or leave traces like AGENTS.MD or comments inserted by the AI.

    Also, who actually knows he drive by contributor well? It's just the same as a lecture hall: unknowns.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

    Honestly, there are a few thoughts about this (and yes, some will be unpopular what I say).

    1. There is the ethics problem of how LLM is trained. It is a theft machine. Thats why companies love it, because they can steal work and profit
    2. However, people WRONGLY assume AI is exclusively for Vibe coding. When used by Senior/real developers, it is super useful for writing tests and code reviews. Some of the issues I've found in our old code from 10 years ago, were never reported (or, we had reports, but always assumed it was something else). There are tools for code review (and have been for a long time), but AI has stepped it up. In well designed / stricter languages, you can avoid a lot of errors that AI is good at detecting, but, it is still super valuable for this stuff.
    3. Also, good for security testing too.
    4. The biggest issue are untrained slop cryptobros, who throw money at it, and can't test (or understand) their code. Then it wastes other devs time reviewing it and identifying the 50 regressions it causes.
    5. We've had cases where I've had to argue with customers that Claude is telling them bullshit. From the support side, it has made things WORSE.

    I'd argue it isn't actually a good thing necessarily to ban using it as a tool entirely from senior devs.

    The biggest issue at the moment are arrogant junior cryptobros who are too lazy to learn to code, and just want to throw money at the issue. And that wastes everyone's time.

    What we really need is a ethical AI model that only uses completely open code, pays people for their code (instead of just stealing it). and a way to ensure it is only used by developers who can use it properly. Ideally, only allow that code to be used for open source too

    I actually wouldn't want to see Gnome/System76 completely ban it. What I would want to see is for it to be permitted for approved devs with VERY specific guidelines dictating how it can be used.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago

    Have to think about this in an open source context. You have an open ended population ready to submit to your project if they think they can be useful

    Now, thanks to GenAI, a bunch of people who aren't good at various things now thinks they are good at various things. Whether it's coding, making comics, making videos, what have you. Try to do nuance even if it strictly makes sense, and you are stuck with the slop problem if your project is sufficiently popular.

    In terms of more directly on your points, if someone does GenAI to do a security analysis, ok, but I'd want them to do the tedium of trying to identify the false positives and then re-report it in their words of actual understanding. It can catch things, but along the way makes a haystack of sillyness to go through. Same for code review, legitimate issues, but lots of missing (I spent a non trivial amount of time yesterday because a GenAI code review insisted a variable would be unitialized when referenced, when I see an uncoditional assignment just a few lines above, trying to think if there was some catch I wasn't seeing). So indirectly using it and only subjecting the developer/maintainer to that which you know makes sense.

    Problem being is that people have used Claude and have forwarded to me saying "I don't understand this well enough to judge, but forwarding to you just in case". I have the same tools doing the same things as you, I don't need meat proxies that just pass through the stuff without understanding.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

    The issue for now is LLM generation of code, not code auditing.

    And no, I don't give a fuck whether some genius in theory could paint s new Mona Lisa with it. The issue us how it is used in practice, most of the time, today. At $WORK, I have a severely ai-pilled Senior Embedded Software Architect which hasnt managed in one and a half year to set up a working driver for a RS232-controlled stepper motor, from a port of previously working code. A thing that should take a week at most. I had to educate him that in C++ drivers, you need to use locks or mutexes to access variables that are concurrently changed and read from several threads. AI enables catastrophic levels of incompetence.

    And FOSS projects need to protect themselves against that.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    I've found 'senior' staff that became talking heads and stopped doing real work the bane of my existence in GenAI world. "I haven't coded in 20 years, but thanks to GenAI, I'm doing it again!" The reasons you stopped coding 20 years ago are plainly valid. Good for you, you got to transition to a grift based career where you say nothing but sound smart to the right people and get money, please don't return to coding because CodeGen is now 'cool'.

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    [–] 43 points 1 day ago* (18 children)

    i think the copyright question is still unanswered: it could turn out that any LLM-generated code is a copyright violation by definition unless trained exclusively on a clean, legitimately-obtained dataset (which few of the major models are).

    Will projects that allow LLM contributions have to roll back years of progress when the other shoe finally drops? Seems like a huge risk, especially for FOSS and copyleft. I think disallowing LLM-written contributions until this is all sorted out in the courts is the pragmatic move from a legal perspective.

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    [–] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

    I don't get the hate Cosmic gets. The only mistake they made is that they released the first non-testing version of their new DE too soon.

    Cosmic is the only full DE with usable tiling out of the box & tiling is superior, full stop. If I had to use a DE again I would probably use Cosmic. Even if we ignore tiling & focus on the floating experience, even today it's better than Gnome without extensions, it's not even close.

    The Linux community has an oddly selective memory. Everyone remembers when Ubuntu had Amazon's crap preinstalled, but now that Plasma 6.x is actually good everyone is conveniently forgetting how incredibly bad KDE 5 had been for most of its run, like so bad that it's hard to put it into words. Cosmic is much better than Plasma 5.x & it's getting better.

    (though I do think excluding the use of Ai tools in a climate where all web browsers & operating systems are accepting LLM contributions is a wee bit strange & largely political)

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child)

    I disagree that 5 was bad for most of its run. I think it was at about version 5.13 that I switched to it, having originally been a gnome 2.x user who hated Gnome3, but found KDE4.x unusable, and I've never regretted it a single time.

    I'd struggle to remember any problem I have had with my system that I'd lay at the feet of KDE 5.

    I'm not suggesting it's perfect and I'm sure some folks did have issues, but I never got the feeling I was one of a lucky few having a good experience with KDE5. KDE 4 - yes that was a frustratingly bad desktop experience, and I think it was widely regarded as such. But I strongly disagree on painting KDE5 with the same brush.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    they released the first non-testing version of their new DE too soon.

    This was the only issue I had with Cosmic. I don't know what the current state of the DE is these days, but surely they've fleshed out some bugs by now.

    Also, cosmic-text is an amazing gift to the world, for what that's worth. Doesn't really justify using the DE, but that library is amazing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

    I don't begrudge Cosmic or anything, it's just not what I want. I'm glad it exists.

    KDE 4 was the TRULY bad release, if I recall correctly. It was a massive change from 3 and reduction in features and stability. I actually noped back over to Windows for a while as a result. I remember 5 being a welcome return to form comparatively.

    EDIT: From the wikipedia Article on KDE4, oof:

    KDE 4.0 was released in January 2008. Linux.com described the reaction from users as a "revolt", writing that the backlash KDE 4.0 received was on a scale that was unprecedented for a FOSS project. Although it was a developer's release, several distributions made the KDE 4.0 desktop environment available to their users without specifying that it was an experimental option. openSUSE released a more polished KDE 4 option while other distributions "released packages that simply [didn't] work," according to project leader Aaron Seigo. As a result, many users complained about the loss of features and stability. A number of KDE developers, including project leader Aaron Seigo, were targeted for abuse by outlets like Linux Hater's Blog. Several KDE developers stepped back from the public scrutiny.[36]

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  • [–] 1 point 18 hours ago (2 children)

    The reaction to KDE4 was overblown. Some cavedwellers with access to internet and too much free time shit on it constantly, just like the anti-systemd crowd, but I used KDE4 throughout its lifetime and still use KDE (6 now).

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 23 hours ago

    In my experience, much of KDE 5 was rather unstable and buggy too, which caused me to stick with Cinnamon for many years. I feel like only the tail end of 5 was mostly stable, and KDE 6 became stable fairly quickly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago*

    They just released an OLED laptop and cosmic has no sign of supporting HDR yet. They are so far behind, its kinda hard to see what they were trying to achieve. I wanted to like their stuff, but the hardware was really subpar for the price. To top that off, they don't "support" linux, they just ship it. I think they should mainline their drivers but I don't know a ton about kernel stuff 🤷‍♂️. Either way the result is they only support pop and Ubuntu which was disappointing.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 days ago (15 children)

    I gotta admit KDE’s stance on this frustrates me a lot.

    On the flip side… I am also fully aware that policies of prohibition, in the broadest sense, tend to not be terribly successful, and I wouldn’t be shocked if some contributors simply excise the “co-authored by ” from the commit messages with a simple pre-push hook or something like that on projects that explicitly prohibit LLM/codegen usage.

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  • [–] 94 points 2 days ago

    IMO one of the major problems with LLm code generation is that it has the capacity to overwhelm human capacity to review code and properly understand the codebase.

    From that perspective, a prohibitive policy doesn't have to be 100% effective to be useful, it just needs to slow things down enough to keep the manageable and maintainable (and fun to work on).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    I admit I haven't followed the KDE AI debacle very closely, but as far as I understand KDE has not yet decided on an AI policy. Am I mistaken?

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    From all primary sources I've been able to track down, nothing suggests an AI policy has been decided. This is the best explanation of the situation I've found so far, though it is a bit over a week old: https://planet.kde.org/nate-graham-2026-09-23-kde-and-ai-and-you-and-me/. If you have a primary source that says otherwise, please link it here, I'd like to know what their AI policy ends up being.

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