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[–] 21 points 6 days ago

Funny how they write all surprised, and then request permission to track and serve advertising by 1746 of their closest business partners 🤣

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  • [–] 15 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    In the 1970's I had a smart toaster that would pop the bread up to let me know it was finished with it's toasting task. /s

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  • [–] 16 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    1T is not even a full season of The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago

    It's because now that HDDs are needed for AI data centers, they put them on coffee machines /j

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    What I'm somewhat curious about is that typically to what degree are smart appliances usable without their app & the network.

    I have a smart air fryer & a smart scale. Neither has been set up to connect to wifi or my phone & both work just fine ..

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    I think in most cases it's added functionality and convenience at the cost of privacy, sure the scale is still gonna tell you how much you weigh, but what if it automatically saved that to an app so you can track your weight loss progress without writing it down manually (as long as you're OK with some company also having that info so they can share ads with you for weight loss products to help you reach that goal faster without allowing you to build the habits to do it right.

    Isn't it nice that you can just ask your fridge if there's milk in it while you're at the store rather than hoping you have milk, or assuming you dont? Disregard the fact that Samsung is using that fridge to know whether or not you're home right now, if you have an iPhone, or what kind of smart TV you have. It's still a fridge, it still keeps things cool, until a firmware update breaks that of course, guess you just need to buy a new fridge, it's been a couple years anyway.

    Sometimes (though not often) the smart appliance is cheaper since they know they're gonna make money on the data.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    There's going to be a market for pre-AI, pre IoT stuff. I'm convinced.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (23 children)

    I cannot think of any way a coffee massive machine could be improved by connecting it to the Internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago

    I've seen a few espresso maker models on James Hoffman's channel that allow users/roasters to share brewing profiles online. Not that the feature requires internet, but it does make it easier.

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  • [–] 94 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    The built in computer is mining bitcoins and the generated heat is used for boiling the water.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    Back when it was actually worth it, I used a mining rig as a space heater in my shed, made from some 2nd hand gpus. It paid for the electricity it used so it was good. Gpu mining is pointless today though.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    There was at least one company selling this sort of thing as a product back then. It was more efficient than conventional electric heating, if I'm not mistaken, even without the income from mining.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    i wonder if it could actually make economic sense, instead of burning the electricity directly in some heat spiral.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (3 children)

    Move into a cold climate, and buy a house that has only electric heaters. Those were popular in the 70s, and nobody wants them now, so you can buy one with pocket change. Build a mining cluster in one bedroom and install air ducts to distribute the warm air throughout the rest of the house.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    yeah, that is nothing new, friend uses heat from small datacenter (i don't think that 20 racks constitutes datacenter, but i am not sure if there is better word 😀) he has in a basement of that building to contribute to its heating.

    i really mean if you could make bitcoin coffee-maker and if it could eventually pay for the price difference between normal and bitcoin one and how much coffee would you have to drink to make that work.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago*

    It’s doable, but you’ll need at least four heat pumps in series. Each one would bump up the temperature of the water, until you get 165 °C steam. The last few steps aren’t very efficient, but it’s still cheaper than using electrical heaters. Those heat pumps will take a fair bit of space and money. Oh, and those machines make as much noise as a big freezer. Other than that, it should be fine.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (8 children)

    I guess some kind of home automation setup could start coffee brewing when you wake up or just before you get home.

    It does seem like a pretty marginal benefit.

    That being said, I have a hard time understanding why so many people own other IoT things, say, smart speakers. Like, I just don't see the problem that they're solving.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Coffee machines have had programmable auto-start at X time for decades at this point, no app or internet required, just a digital clock and simple, dumb electronics.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 days ago

    We're still talking about marginal, unnecessary things, but with a "smart" coffee pot, you could in theory start the pot when you're a few minutes away from home, if you like some after work. A pot connected to something like home assistant (which I have no idea if it exists) can brew the pot only on your workdays, or you can start it after you leave the bedroom, regardless of time. You could probably do quite a few "neat" things.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I'd love my hifi to have the possibility to be controlled from say my phone, because sometimes it'd be neat. But that's about it. I actually set it up but it's more of a hassle than a benefit so I just dropped it.

    If it wasn't for all the snooping and crap, we'd already have a super home control system, but today is not yet the day...

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  • [–] 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    It's not the snooping, it's companies making their own incompatible proprietary system and jealously guarding it to force you to only buy their stuff, except everybody else is doing the same thing so the actual result is that getting things working together and keeping it all working is a pain in the ass.

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    [–] 53 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It's probably running a proxy server so the company can sell your internet connection to the AI scrapers.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    He found that while the coffee maker had generated 1TB of traffic, most of it stayed within his parents’ home network rather than being sent over the internet

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  • [–] 15 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    So probably pinging the entire network with discovery packets multiple times per second and doing nothing with the result.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago

    Not doing nothing, actively searching and sending infrequent updates, as what appears in these networks in sellable data as this can track who is in the home, how many people, who lives there who just visits who lives nearby, what kind of smart tv or other iot devices are connected etc...

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    This might be the best example of a non-news story I’ve ever read.

    It literally was nothing.

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    [–] 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Then don't buy "smart" appliances, none of them need to tell that they are done with washing or what the temperature is in the fridge all the goddamn time.

    "Smart" appliances don't make your home "smart", it just means you're stupid and your brain has rotted away to the point of you not being able to manage your own goddamn household!

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