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[–] 99 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I think it's actually more appropriate to say that Europe is way further North than most people think based on its climate and such.

The only reason north west Europe's climate isn't more like Canada's is because the Gulf Stream and AMOC drag heat up North from the Southern hemisphere.

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  • [–] 105 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
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    It's not that canada is south as much as it is Europe is north, like a lot.

    Here at the 45th, we are about where Paris is at. Scotland is way the fuck up there.

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  • [–] 16 points 15 hours ago

    Ya, exactly this. I used to live in Tromso, Norway. It's roughly the same latitude as the north coast of Alaska. I remember -12c being a cold day in winter. That's insane for that far north. Anywhere else at the latitude experiences -40c regularly.

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  • [–] 43 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

    I don’t think anyone is going to confuse the weather in Windsor, Ontario and Rome, though.

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  • [–] 38 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

    Not yet. Global warming melting Greenland ice sheets is likely to cause the AMOC to slow / collapse, ending Europe’s temperate climate. This is possible within your lifetime.

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  • [–] 20 points 16 hours ago* (1 child)

    Just to add some explanation on this for those who don't know:

    The AMOC, which is a massive circular oceanic current in the Atlantic, passes in a South-North direction at the surface near Europe, bringing warm water from Africa, which helps make Europe warmer (especially near the Atlantic) than it would otherwise be.

    Hence why it slowing down or even stopping would end Europe's temperate climate.

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  • [–] 10 points 14 hours ago

    Just to add even more explanation on top of yours: "AMOC" is the fancy science-y name for what is more popularly known as the Gulf Stream, plus the rest of the currents that form a loop with it.

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    Santa had Icy BMs stored at the North Pole prior to indoor plumbing.

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    [–] 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    All of those are in the southern half of Canada

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  • [–] 6 points 14 hours ago

    It's robot Santa from Futurama

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  • [–] 11 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    You think Santa couldn't manufacture missiles in his factories if he decided to?

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  • [–] 8 points 17 hours ago* (13 children)

    The mainland US is crazily far south. I thought Washington would be level with London

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  • [–] 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

    Well, and it's crazy how cold the middle and eastern parts of North America get.

    Boston and Chicago are famously cold cities. Chicago is exactly parallel with Rome; Boston is only 50km north of Rome. Rome, Barcelona, even Tblisi - all about 10+ degrees C (so 20 degrees F) more mild in the winter than Chicago. The entirety of continental France, including its southern coast, is north of Boston. Paris is almost far enough north to be exactly at the long E-W US/Canada border. Yet rarely gets below freezing.

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  • [–] 5 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    The entirety of France, including its southern coast, is north of Boston.

    Acktyually, the southernmost point in France is 50°01′ South (Îles de Boynes in the southern Indian Ocean). 🤓

    Somewhat more legitimately, there are also inhabited French lands further south than Boston: Corsica, French Guiana, French Polynesia, Réunion, etc. Corsica even counts as "Metropolitan France" (as opposed to "Overseas France") while still -- barely -- beating Boston by about 1°.

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  • [–] 5 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    Latitude is crazy. London would sit in the Hudson Bay, and Atlanta is a similar latitude to Casablanca or Baghdad.

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  • [–] 5 points 16 hours ago*

    Toronto is lower than Montreal? Wow, I suck at geography.

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  • [–] 25 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    (AFAIK) Ocean currents and winds (until now) regulated the weather in Europe. When that's gone, it will be wise for half of Europe to acquire a cargo sled.

    https://geographyclassroom.com/gulf-stream-and-europes-weather/

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

    Continental versus marine climates. Water has a lot of thermal mass, and it moderates the diurnal and seasonal temperature swings in areas near bodies of water. With the jetstream moving weather west-to-east at these northern latitudes, air masses moving across Canada cool off over the land mass of the continent before hitting the central and eastern cities. It's also much warmer in the summer in those places, for the same reason.

    Even if AMOC shuts off completely, Europe generally will be somewhat warmer in the winter, and cooler in the summer, than Canada.

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  • [–] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    Even if AMOC shuts off completely, Europe generally will be somewhat warmer in the winter, and cooler in the summer, than Canada.

    I hope you're right, but research has recently suggested that the Little Ice Age was caused by the AMOC shutting down in the early 1400s.

    The Little Ice Age was one of the coldest periods of the past 10,000 years, a period of cooling that was particularly pronounced in the North Atlantic region. This cold spell, whose precise timeline scholars debate, but which seems to have set in around 600 years ago, was responsible for crop failures, famines and pandemics throughout Europe, resulting in misery and death for millions.

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    But in the late 1300s, AMOC strengthened significantly [due to increased solar activity], which meant that far more warm water than usual was moving north, which in turn cause rapid arctic ice loss. Over the course of a few decades in the late 1300s and 1400s, vast amounts of ice were flushed out into the North Atlantic, which not only cooled the North Atlantic waters, but also diluted their saltiness, ultimately causing AMOC to collapse. It is this collapse that then triggered a substantial cooling.

    If this research is correct, losing the AMOC again could cause a huge crisis for Europe.

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    Yes, I agree. No doubt that it'd cause a major crisis in Europe, and I didn't intend to imply otherwise. Its people, agriculture, buildings, and infrastructure are all adapted to the current climate, and a sudden shift will be very hard to handle. We saw that with the heat waves this past summer. Phoenix, Arizona routinely handles higher temperatures, but the buildings there are all equipped for it, while ventilation and air conditioning are not common in much of Europe.

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    [–] 6 points 17 hours ago*

    I’m in Seattle and live further north than the majority of Canadians. Canada reaches as far south as Northern California’s latitude, and if you live in East Tennessee, you’re closer to Canada than you are to Memphis.

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