If they could draw or make music, they wouldn't need a robot to do it, and they clearly want to but don't have the skills.

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[–] 96 points 5 days ago (7 children)

What it's actually highlighted is how overworked and underpaid everyone is now. When a single salary could comfortably support a whole family, people had more time. When only one person needed to leave the house to earn money, the rest of the family had time during the day to help with the domestic work: dishes, laundry, gardening, etc. Then the evenings could be spent indulging hobbies.

Now that we live in a world where you need to have a dual income to barely get by, both partners are working 8-10 hours per day for the paycheck and then coming home to another 2-3 hours of domestic work. It's fucking exhausting and there isn't time to focus on quilting, whittling, playing music, or any of the other fun and creative hobbies that my grandparents got to be into.

So these AIdiot tech bros come along and offer to sell you the feeling of doing those hobbies without having to spend the time or energy to actually do them? It's shitty, but I understand why a lot of people are taking that deal.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    If you look at the history of work in the US though, there was only a short window of time that you had that extra time. Unless you were wealthy, your kids started to work at a very young age. Have you seen the pics of kids where they look like they could haggle with you and rob you? The teenage years are a relatively new concept.

    Also, most of the boomer and older generations:

    • Had no therapy
    • Had no entertainment or education to let them know what's possible. It was by who you had contact with.
    • If you were a POC, your life was most likely hell
    • If you were gay, your life was most likely hell.
    • If you were a woman, you life was most likely hell.

    Yes, the goal is for everyone to get back to the lives of upper middle class, white men.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 days ago

    But wait, there's more:

    Houses cost so much that people don't have space to do hobbies they used to. There's no garage or shed to set up as a maker space or studio or to setup drums or a weaving loom or painting canvases.

    Intensive parenting is now the norm and the expectation. Kids can't play in front of the house like they used to. They can't go out and knock on friend's doors and go to the playground without a parent from every household going along. The only time children can be left is with a screen, and you're a villain if you do that.

    Expectation from romantic partners also comes into the mix. After all the time and energy drain from the things above, there is nothing left in the tank. My wife would then not be a happy camper if I told her I'm going to be in the garage for an hour for my creative hobby.

    Some disposable income is also required (variable amount depending on which hobby you take up).

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    [–] 36 points 4 days ago* (11 children)

    My sibling is trying to launch an AI music career and it drives me off a fucking cliff. No shit, one of the songs they made was used at a funeral and I nearly barfed. What’s worse, whenever I try to talk any sort of serious subject, about shit in the world, or what I’m dealing with in my personal life, their advice is to find a creative outlet Iike theirs.

    Looking forward to the holidays after that banger they prompted for my birthday!

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    What the fuck is an "AI music career"? Like, they're writing prompts for AI songs and then hoping people will pay money for this songs?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    I was in on Suno super early. I write my own lyrics and beats and music but couldn't record voice (poor), so I'd put it in there and it's shocking how well it works.

    So I figured, let's defraud a bunch of people on Spotify and get money, and then I thought about it and was like, what kind of scumbag would do such a thing, and dropped the idea and stopped using suno.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    Honestly as a musician what I was hoping Suno would be is an intelligent loop pedal or backing generator that I could plug my instruments in and be supported by when there's not enough people for a whole band. I was so disappointed it's basically a slop generator.

    I think a better tool for me would be a normal loop pedal which can be be disciplined in tempo by the drummer in real time.

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    [–] 12 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    The question has never been whether people want it. I think it's pretty clear they do. The problem is whether people want to spend the time in money, or skill, to get it.

    I would love to be able to paint sci-fi pinups. But do I want to trade 10k hours of other stuff I'm already better at to do it? Once I painted them, would I truly love the work, or would I just see all the imperfections and be grumpy about it?

    Artists have it hard. They spend unending hours on their passion and, in the end, see everything through a critical lens. And when they spend a month of time on something amazing, no one wants to trade a day of salary to own a copy, or a month of salary to own the original.

    AI is so wildly popular because it's cheap, and through the lens of the consumer (read untrained eye), the best of it evokes emotions they get from a piece that would go for hundreds or thousands of dollars.

    The true fucked up part. If the courts all say NFG, dump all your diffusion models that are full of copyrighted material. They'd just go back and commission artists in distressed places and rebuild the models from properly purchased material and we'll be right back where we are.

    Still image diffusion isn't even expensive to run,

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    [–] 25 points 5 days ago (18 children)

    Has nobody considered the angle that slopping is fun? It doesn't make you an artist, nor an author, nor a musician. But it makes a thing at your direction and you can point at it and say "this vaguely resembles the idea in my brain". For some people, that's enough.

    (this has been part 4 on my Nuanced Opinions Regarding AI)

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  • [–] 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    That's why the zeitgeist needs more time to settle on the perception of LLMs. It's a cool toy, but people shouldn't be getting it in their head that it gives them a shortcut to becoming a professional.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    You gotta understand what it's good for as a tool and realize it's not going to do your job for you.

    The problem is that it's utility is basically correlated with your skill on a given subject because you can't reasonably hope to guide it to what you actually want if you aren't already pretty skilled. Contrarily, the perceived "benefit" or "coolness" it provides you is inversely correlated with your skill but with like 3x the slope of utility.

    If you are needing to navigate a pool of text as an expert in a field, it's obscenely useful and the holes/pitfalls are super evident. The less skilled you are as a user the more magical and beneficial it all looks, which is scary.

    Edit I said some of that backwards . More skill more actually useful, less skill the more it seems useful and cool but will screw you up.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 days ago*

    the problem is that it's utility is basically inversely correlated with your skill

    I've thought this exact thing too, I'm sure many of us have. AI is really you get what you give, literally. If you're educated, well read, know how to write and interact and think critically and have some technical skill, it can be massively useful.

    If you don't you just get mental masturbation.

    Edit:

    It's like, I hate cars. I want them dead, gone, erased.

    And I can acknowledge their utility.

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    [–] 11 points 4 days ago* (4 children)

    i dont think it does.

    because if people wanted to do the arts, they'd do the arts. while schools are expensive, sitting at home and writing lyrics or sketching out drawing isnt.

    What using AI does, is let them get adoration from fools and idiots without having to make an effort in lifting a finger.

    If you gave me a Star Trek Replicator, I'm gonna be eating all kinds of gourmet shit. It doesnt mean I want to be a world class chef, it just means I'm a lazy fat fuck that wants excess without effort or cost.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    Arts in state schools isn't about mastering a particular medium, it's about introducing learners to the different forms art can take and giving access to specialised equipment that's too expensive for them to buy without committing to the art form. Sketching and lyrics writing are fine for some, but others won't learn they want to learn more about photography, or sculpture, or pottery, or an instrument, or any number of other things if they don't actually get the opportunity to try it. If more people understood art, AI artists wouldn't get that adoration in the first place.

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    [–] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    They'd still do this even if they had the opportunity to not do it.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again-- the only thing AI is good at is defrauding others. It's literally what it is trained to do.

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    [–] 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I'm not sure if they really want to do art. My impression is, that those guys rather seek fame. And somehow got convinced that art is some kind of elitist thing, that leads to fame.

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    [–] 9 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    It's also time. People want to create but learning practising. Getting through the "I suck" stage is rough.

    Been in mine for several decades now.

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    [–] 6 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

    I'm a musician, dudes come up to me like listen to this song I made, and it's obviously suno...

    I call them out on it and they're like mumble mumble.

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