I have been using Linux for over 8 months now, and my primary distribution of choice was Debian.

Debian recently conducted a community vote on allowing AI contributions, and it ended up allowing responsible AI contributions.

What is this responsible? How can AI commits be responsible? There are thousands of reasons to not use AI, and the primary reason is AI is a thief.

How did you react to Debian's decision? Did you switch distros? Which one was your option, and why?

Also, when the Linux kernel itself allows AI commits, is there any practicality in a Linux distribution strictly limiting or restricting AI commits?

I have no serious usability issue with Debian now but am concerned about the use of AI even in my Linux distribution. Should I keep going with Debian or consider any other distribution, as I only have 8+ months of experience as a daily Linux user? I tried almost all Linux distros and am comfortable with everything except Void Linux and highly complex ones like Gentoo.

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[–] 6 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

No. It’s not practical.

No matter how you feel about ai or how you think it is wrong, the increased tempo of bug fixes and security patches necessitates either manpower beyond what is feasible for volunteer projects or the use of ai tools.

It’s an arms race and you can’t opt out without just missing the patch schedule.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    There are a few distros that do reject all AI code, which you can find in these two lists:

    https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

    https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#linux-based (under the 'Alternative Linux-based operating systems' section).

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  • [–] 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

    Are Anti-AI Linux distributions practical?

    It's not possible to have a 100% no-LLM-coding-involved Linux distro anymore now that the kernel itself is welcoming LLM-assisted contributions, but it's still possible to say that everything which the distro produces itself will not use AI.

    How can AI commits be responsible?

    What Debian means is: by reading what it produces and not just blindly accepting it but having humans review it carefully. The quality of LLM-assisted software is highly variable. Experienced people like Debian and Linux kernel developers are much less likely to publish very bad slop than inexperienced developers who are newly able to make a thing work well enough to ship it.

    I am concerned about the extent of Debian's embrace of LLMs but I still have a lot more confidence in them than most other distros (especially small hardcore-anti-AI distro projects lacking sufficient developer capacity to even keep up with security updates).

    I expect we'll be seeing lots more things like this non-upstreamable-because-AI hardware enablement and distros like Nura (formerly postmarketOS) will either either adopt more nuanced LLM policies or be forked.

    I am doubtful about if there will be any serious distros with hard LLM bans in a few years from now. But also, perhaps the bubble will have burst by then, so hosted inference won't be so cheap and the use of LLMs will probably be quite different.

    the primary reason is AI is a thief

    This is not the primary reason for most people, I don't think. I think the fact that it increases complexity while reducing human understanding is the biggest problem; it's possible (easy even) now to produce mountains of good-enough-by-many-metrics source code which the person doing the prompting has very little comprehension of. The fact that it is also a plagiarism machine is far less of a problem than this. (There are a litany of other problems too of course, several others of which I would also rate as worse than the plagiarism aspect.)

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  • [–] 5 points 8 hours ago

    OpenBSD.

    Come learn about computo.

    Be free with us.

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  • [–] 21 points 15 hours ago (15 children)

    thief

    If you advocate for further expansion of "copyright" oppression, you deserve microsoft windows.

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  • [–] 19 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

    This. So much.

    I am old enough to remember many people on the Internet questioning the entire concept of copyright and reacting to it with free licensing, defense of torrent sites, founding Pirate Parties.

    Now I read that the primary reason to reject AI is that it is a "thief"??? In the era I described above, someone wrote a song with the lyrics: copying is not theft, stealing a thing leaves one less left, copying it makes one thing more, that's what copying's for…

    See also https://www.techdirt.com/2026/09/23/copyright-infringement-still-isnt-theft-even-when-a-microsoft-employee-says-it-is/

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  • [–] 4 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

    GPL may call itself "copyleft", but legally it is dependent on copyright to be enforceable. In the first place, the whole point of licenses like GPL is to ensure that when people take from the commons, they also give back to the commons. The way AI gains its ability to generate shitty code undermines this, and so is ideologically very much at odds with Linux and the wider FOSS world.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Copyright is a deprivation of freedom, and the GPL comes using this rules to turn around them. I won't defend copyright. AI comes with more important problems, such as ecology, and creating monster private companies that have far too much power.

    The tool in itself can really be usefull when well used. Many people use it and get nice results. Many people abuse it, and many people abuse themselves with it. It is true with a hammer too. I don't think "hammer-free" is a feature, even if their are many domain in which I don't see the point of using a hammer (and so "made with a hammer" isn't a feature either).

    Also, I can't find any example in history of a technology that was successfully banned despite being usefull. Some have been regulated, such as nuclear industries, but that was not perfect and needed a continuous and hard strugle. The strict "no-AI" movement has already lost its battle, at most we could get regulations, maybe...

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  • [–] 0 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    The thing is, if all other things remain the same, an absence of copyright will also be used by the wealthy and powerful to further enrich and empower themselves and as a tool of oppression.

    From the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition:

    #34 War is good for business.

    #35 Peace is good for business.

    You cannot have internally consistent, principled view on copyright without also having a compatible view on the economy. And even then, the economy needs to come first; you cannot start destroying load-bearing pillars, no matter how ugly, without first getting everyone out of the house.

    The tool in itself can really be usefull when well used. Many people use it and get nice results.

    The way I see it, there are two kinds of people: those to whom AI is utterly useless because it just ends up taking more time and have them burn through their cognitive endurance faster, and those to whom it would be irresponsible to let them use it, because it would prevent them from finding better solutions for the busywork they're letting the AI do, and they just end up creating a lot of needless maintenance overhead.

    But more importantly, being "useful" to certain individuals is not the same as being good for society. Which brings us back to it undermining licenses like the GPL, which would further enrich and empower the already advantaged.

    Also, I can’t find any example in history of a technology that was successfully banned despite being usefull.

    CFCs? Asbestos? The bans on them aren't perfectly enforced, but nevertheless, the hole in the ozone layer is shrinking and the number of people dying of asbestos-related lung cancer is reducing, so they do have value.

    The strict “no-AI” movement has already lost its battle

    Even if it were true, that would be no reason to stop trying or to stop saying the truth: No matter useful you experience it as being, you are causing harm. To yourself, to the field, to society.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

    GPL wields the copyright system against itself, like a virus. The goal is the complete destruction of the copyright system and the liberation of all software.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    It won't exactly be able to accomplish anything like that if it's been undermined no matter what the mechanism of its enforcement is.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    This is the GPL's trap card. When it gets undermined, the "copyright" system loses its credibility.

    That was the idea, at least. Seems like there's people who double down on their belief in copyright in response. But that's their own fault.

    The usual saying applies: "It's easier for them to imagine the end of the world, than the end of capitalism the copyright system."

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  • [–] 55 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    There will never be an AI free Linux distro again since it's allowed in the kernel. I would certainly prefer to use a distro that doesn't allow vibe coded programs though. That junk is unmaintainable and will be abandoned when the creator can no longer afford the tokens.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago

    Also, when the Linux kernel itself allows AI commits, is there any practicality in a Linux distribution strictly limiting or restricting AI commits?

    Upstream is unrestricted, unless you want to detach from upstream it's hopeless.

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  • [–] 15 points 16 hours ago*

    I've been using Debian for a long time and honestly, I'm not going to worry about this too much as of today. We got that decision, yes. But I don't think I've seen any consequences, yet. And I always try to judge people by what they actually do. Less so by what they say.

    I say that the last word hasn't been said yet. On this whole AI thing. We still got many Linux people who don't really appreciate AI. The entire community isn't really fond of it. We got people who say there isn't a way to make use of it responsibly. I have a hunch there's more to this story. But only time will tell. Until then I'm going to continue using Debian, just like I have for the past 10-15 years. I trust the community distributions, they faced other challenges before. And usually they're not half bad at facing challenges and ultimately doing the right thing.

    Doesn't have to be easy. Sometimes we're headed the wrong direction for a while. But what matters IMO is the result. And I'm positive they'll find some way to deal with this. I don't think AI fits Debian's identity at all. Would be a big surprise to me if they don't realize it as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Void isn’t too difficult and is documented well.

    I strongly dislike AI but am not a purist. Linux is already a no-go for purists and good luck with the alternatives.

    I think the kernel’s policy on AI use is reasonable. As long as a distro or a package isn’t obvious slop and they have a clear policy, I’m okay using it or continuing to use it.

    In the meantime, while I mostly use mainstream distros like Fedora and Arch, I’m quite happy that distros like Void exist so that if mainstream Linux ever takes a direction I disagree with, I have alternatives.

    In the end, keep perspective. A distribution like Debian allowing for responsible AI use is not the same as the vibe-coded slop that is Omarchy.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 hours ago*

    documented well.

    I'm gonna disagree on this point, I tried Void both on a VM and a spare SSD and I found the documentation was lacking. Or in the case of getting pipewire working I had to go to Reddit to find a workaround as none of the official ways to set it up worked on my systems. And it was far from the last time I had to find an undocumented solution to an issue I was facing.

    I really like the idea of a completely independent distro purpose built instead of just "scraping the mold off" existing distros. But I had enough headaches with Void that I ended up on Artix, which mostly has worked out the same as Endeavour/Arch which I was using previously.

    Hopefully I can try again in the future and have a better time, since I do applaud the developers for multiple reasons.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 hours ago

    Just try to install it and use it for 1 week, and then you know the pain.

    Today I tried VoidLinux once again, and after hours of trying to enable audio, I failed and finally built Arch from root. 😐

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  • [–] 15 points 18 hours ago

    What is this responsible? How can AI commits be responsible? There are thousands of reasons to not use AI, and the primary reason is AI is a thief.

    I feel like you aren't actually asking a legitimate question and are just trying to soapbox, but this is covered by Debian here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2026/08/msg00005.html

    As far as what the consequences of failing to follow that policy is, it would be covered under the Debian code of conduct: https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct_interpretation.html

    NOTE: I am not a Debian user. I just performed a basic search to find the answer to that question.

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  • [–] 3 points 12 hours ago

    the only good to come of it is the destruction of the concept of intellectual property, the tools of capital won't serve us

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  • [–] 17 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)
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    [–] 17 points 19 hours ago

    "How did you react to Debian’s decision?"

    I deleted it, debian was thankfully not my main, just a backup/something of interest.

    The 'vote' itself seemed dodgy, every option was going to ai in some form, or another.

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  • [–] 12 points 19 hours ago

    https://www.debian.org/vote/2026/vote_002#texte

    The Debian Project nevertheless expects that all contributions submitted to Debian, regardless of how and with which tools they were produced, satisfy the same standards of quality, correctness, maintainability, and legal compliance. The use of a generative AI tool does not diminish the contributor's responsibility for the work they submit. Contributors are expected to understand, review, test, and, where appropriate, modify AI-assisted output before incorporating it into Debian. Blindly accepting or uploading AI-generated material without appropriate human review is inconsistent with Debian's established development practices. We enourage [sic] our contributors to disclose whether a contribution was made with AI assitance[sic], but do not require them to do so.

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  • [–] 7 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

    Sure but why?

    the primary reason is AI is a thief.

    That's the least important reason to not use AI. All property is theft, especially copyright!

    There is a difference between people using AI to help write/maintain code that they understand, and slopcoding unmaintainable vibe projects.

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    [–] 4 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

    AI is a tool. You already trust the developers to build an operating system with the tools available.

    From the Debian announcement

    The Debian Project nevertheless expects that all contributions submitted to Debian, regardless of how and with which tools they were produced, satisfy the same standards of quality, correctness, maintainability, and legal compliance. The use of a generative AI tool does not diminish the contributor's responsibility for the work they submit. Contributors are expected to understand, review, test, and, where appropriate, modify AI-assisted output before incorporating it into Debian. Blindly accepting or uploading AI-generated material without appropriate human review is inconsistent with Debian's established development practices.

    It's quite clear they don't allow vibe coding. As you say, the kernal itself allows AI contributions in a similar way.

    If you're worried about the ethical aspects of AI then you'll probably have to move to NetBSD. If you're only worried about quality this is a non issue.

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  • [–] 5 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

    Trust is 3 parts; authenticity, competance and empathy. Trust is broken if any of those are insufficient.

    If others believe AI creation and AI use hurts people then leaving that unaddressed makes one appear to lack empathy.

    "Quality of code" ultimately boils down to judging how it may effect people (reading it, changing it, using the software it compiles to). To worry about code quality is only to care about people. Only caring sometimes is inconsistent - it questions their character.

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    [–] 9 points 19 hours ago (13 children)

    Most of it comes down to personally mitigating the damages:

    • start with ElementaryOS and Pantheon/Gnome, then decide which path you want to follow
    • if you're hardcore, go for NetBSD or MirBSD or 9front/Plan9 instead of Linux
    • on the Linux side: ElementaryOS, Gentoo, Chimera Linux, AerynOS, and Nura/PostmarketOS all have strong LLM policies
      • along those lines: Gnome and Cosmic haven't gone soft on AI the way KDE has
    • Starlight Network No-AI List is one jumping off point, but there are several other lists including repo-slopscore and Weird Little Guys
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