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I have absolutely zero faith the government could create a whole secure operating system with the apps it would need.

Just use Linux ffs

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  • [–] 15 points 4 days ago*

    Ethereal whisper in the wind : "Liiiinuuuux..."

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    And make their own distro. No need to build something from scratch! For fucks sake!

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Why make their own distro? Just use fucking Ubuntu or Red Hat or Suse. You don't need HeyDereHiDereHoDereOS.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Why make their own distro?

    Because the Canadian government needs to make a simple solution as shitty as possible and hire hundreds of consultants to insure it will never work. They never got Phoenix Pay working.

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  • I mean, I've seen a lot of noise by Canada and Europe about how they need to distance themselves from the United States, meanwhile if you look at the world's top visited websites, more than half of them are US based, from major search engines like Google to AI stuff like Gemini and ChatGPT to marketplaces like Amazon and eBay to social media like Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn to video media hosting like Netflix, Youtube and Twitch. Canada has one entry: Pornhub. EU countries have two: XVideos in France and XHamster in Cypress.

    "Switching to our own operating system" means switching from an American corporation, to some American non-profit foundations. Trading Microsoft for GNU/Linux. Still running on Intel x86 architecture machines. Don't get me wrong, the attempt is adorable, but you're four decades behind in a four decade old discipline.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago*

    Because you want a an OS optimised for the needs of public administration. It doesn't need to be a new Distro but it should be a tailored configusration, just lije thf Duch are doing right now based on NixOS.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago

    Which is exactly what they would do if they were to switch. Starting from scratch would be incredibly stupid, and there's no reasonable way to secure a brand new system when we simply don't employ enough programmers of that kind at the govt level.

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  • [–] 27 points 5 days ago (5 children)

    Linux is right there, no need to reinvent the wheel.

    Libre Office to replace most of Microsoft 365 suite.

    Pick a distro and help develop it to make it more robust.

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    ABOOT would be a fun name for a Linux distro

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  • [–] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    I’ll probably take shit for my comment, so preface: I use FOSS and self-host a lot of stuff at home, my Elbows are Up, and Fuck M$. Now then…

    Yeah, the federal government could give up MS licenses for the public service and switch to OpenBSD or Linux and use LibreOffice. Excellent! Big savings.

    Now then, how about all the ancient databases and applications used by the CRA and regulatory agencies. Will they keep working or will they need attention? Downtime is not an option.

    Then there’s weird things like lab equipment and remote devices that provide earth sensing data for weather forecasts and probably tsunami warning for all I know.

    Every one of those things needs, at least, thorough consideration and many will need specific attention from developers who are familiar with some pretty old tech. The public service does not have that capacity on hand. Contracting (expensive) private sector companies is a given.

    I haven’t even mentioned the requirements for handling protected data or liability. Who does the government sue for damages if there’s an unpatched exploit in OpenBSD?

    Anyway, all the above can be addressed. Nothing’s impossible. But the estimated cost-savings are not realistic. Like, at all.

    You may now tear me to shreds.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    You're not wrong exactly, but I think you're perhaps assuming an unnecessarily absolutist approach. If there are legacy systems that need windows, keep windows for those legacy systems. What you're describing are exceptions, not the norm. The vast, vast majority of public service computers could just as easily be running Linux.

    As for who the Federal government sues, that's why you go with an enterprise release like Red Had or Ubuntu. You find a company that you're happy to work with, you pay them maybe 25% of what you're paying MS right now, and in return you get a full support plan with clearly defined SLAs.

    This isn't so much "Nothing's impossible" as it is "It's really not that hard." These are solved problems. Plenty of governments have already switched over to open source.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago*

    Fair critique!

    A less all-or-nothing approach could be to migrate Members of Parliament and departmental executive down to management… maybe even support staff. That group makes decisions based on the products from operational folks. So they can deal with a basic office suite. There’s a big savings there.

    At the operational level, things would get expensive because of the specialized and in-house software for which there are no alternatives except Windows.

    I don’t know enough about IT to comment on the feasibility of supporting that scenario.

    I didn’t catch this in the content posted by OP, but I thought it would be interesting to mention: GCTools. It’s a suite of collaboration and document management tools. I think they’re all open source. ^But ^I ^don’t ^know ^anyone ^who ^uses ^them.

    Edit: Can’t superscript. Fuck it

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    Or, wait, use another already existing one?!!

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  • [–] 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Or, wait, use another already existing one?!!

    Which is exactly what an increasing number of EU countries are doing.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago

    openbsd is Canadian, give theo 5 million dollars

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  • [–] 36 points 6 days ago (15 children)

    Author of the article missed the Netherlands going to NixOS by a week.

    And Canada already has a homegrown operating system that's just waiting for someone to read the handbook thoroughly, read the manual, install it themselves, and see what's up. Canada has already played host to a free operating system with OpenBSD thanks to crypto being a munition back in the 90s and there's no reason to not look at both Nix and OpenBSD if they're going to head down that road.

    I'll go ahead and write the international treaty:

    Canada and the Netherlands agree to go halfsies on a trusted NixOS and OpenBSD repo.
    
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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

    The author does discuss that actually

    Here is the study it is referring to, which the author put out last week (although I don't have the full text right now): https://www.emerald.com/dprg/article-abstract/doi/10.1108/DPRG-06-2026-0347/1400436/Open-source-digital-sovereignty-the-case-for-a?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    EDIT: Full paper here: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=7585538

    Design/methodology/approach

    This paper develops a comparative policy analysis of six state-sponsored Linux distributions (China, Russia, India, France, Germany and South Korea) using a dual total cost of ownership (TCO) + strategic autonomy analytical framework, benchmarked against Canada’s procurement landscape, laws and trade obligations.

    Originality/value

    This paper proposes a Canadian Free and Open Systems Foundation (Crown not-for-profit modeled on Germany’s Zentrum für Digitale Souveränität) alongside a three-phase implementation roadmap and five institutionally targeted policy recommendations. The proposal offers a generalizable middle-power template for reconciling digital sovereignty with open multilateralism, applicable to Australia, Japan, South Korea and Nordic states facing parallel dependencies.

    So while the author mentions Debian, that is just an example. The actual recommendation is setting up a foundation to make those decisions after confirming it will meet the requirements + working with other countries on this

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    [–] 13 points 5 days ago

    Again what I've been saying for years, just use Linux, people.

    But nooooo, Canadian healthcare prefers tonstore their patient data in the USA on servers of Microsoft, even though MS already testified that the US government can access that data whenever they want, so yay!

    Why self host everything and be responsible if you can simply pay a dictatorship?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago

    I'm really glad that a lot of countries are starting to do this 🥰

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    [–] 25 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    We could save even more by crowdsourcing much of it with partners around the world with the same goals.

    When Microsoft said they would operate in our country, but not obey our laws, it was the begining of the end.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 days ago

    Yes and nobody seems to acknowledge that. They think data sovereignty is all that matters. But Microsoft has stated no they have to listen to the US no matter what any other countrys laws say. I thought countries would have been more upset about that but nope.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 days ago

    One more way to say fuck the US by not using Microsoft

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    also our own pickup trucks and suvs

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  • [–] 11 points 5 days ago

    I said this exact thing to multiple Australian universities and government heads.

    Not only would it save money, it would develop local industry and expertise.

    No reply of course. No one's interested if it doesn't help make them rich!

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  • [–] 13 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    On top of OpenBSD, I really don’t see why Canada needs a Windows replacement when open source replacements already exist? And we can already run NextCloud-AIO with EuroOffice on top.

    The only things missing are AI and surveillance— and there’s a perfectly functional open source agentic tool that can run open models. And nobody really wants the surveillance.

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    [–] 7 points 5 days ago

    This is good news that more countries are starting to think of tech independence. It was bound to evolve that way over time but the questionable tech bros crowd caused it to happen way more quickly because, just like the railroad barons of the past, they'll lie, cheat, steal and threaten for more money and power and people eventually get tired of being under someone's thumb (holy shit I just had spellcheck tell me that thumb has a "b". I, and probably many others, did not know that).

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago*

    Yes but also what is important is establishing meaningful, stringent, enforceable, independent security auditing of the tools that Canada chooses to use, they must be open in this sense if not fully open source. There is the obvious but quite unfortunately likely possibility Canada could throw out Microslop only to recreate the worst parts of it domestically. Canada must keep their eyes on two balls in this sense, getting rid of Microslop AND doing better at the entire framing of how these tools are built and maintained otherwise all the effort to get rid of Microslop will become a slap in the face when you end up in almost the same place... which none of this is meant to bash Canada at all, this is just how these things tend to want to go given the forces at work....

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

    Time for someone to pick up TempleOS or maybe Plan 9.

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