And its still incorrect, cluster bombs are banned by the Convention on Cluster Muntions, which neither Israel or Iran are a party to.
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And Israel uses white phosphorus on Gazans which also breaks the Geneva convention so fuck them anyway
silly billy, don't you not international law doesn't apply to the IOF
Are 2000 pounder JDAM dropped on gazan civilian buildings more moral than a cluster bomb?
gazan civilian tents
Excuse me, the preferred nomenclature is "hamas bunkers" and I'll report you to the ADL if you continue with your antisemitism.
Most unnecessary /s ever.
The moral calculus of bombs is a truly fucked up thing.
If the JDAM is driving a single conventional warhead, it is more ethical than a cluster bomb.
It is common for some of the cluster bomblets to not detonate creating unknown minefields that persist for decades. A single bomb only goes off once.
(This is the ethics of the bomb, not the conflict they're used in)
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Sounds like they want this to apply:
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
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What happened to "an attacked nation has the right to defend itself"?
that only applies to white people, silly!
If Caucasians count as white, then Iranians are white. A lot of Iranians are also religious and right wing too. The average Republican and the average Iranian would agree with each other on nearly everything if they could somehow have a conversation without divulging their country, clothes, and specific God.
You got it the wrong way around. Race is made up to justify racism.
Italians (and the Irish, too, I think) once didn't count as white, for crying out loud.
Germans too. Benjamin Franklin called them swarthy. "White" has always been a social construct to delineate an ingroup.
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Why are we not protected by the agreements we dropped out of so we could easily commit human rights abuse on others?!
Israel apparently...
Build the nuke already please. (For mutually assured destruction reasons so Israel can fuck right off)
While I’d like to see the Iranian people not be subject to Israeli ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ calculus and have their country cucked like Syria/Lybia, I'm also not hype on their government leaders getting that same MAD protection as well, because they absolutely don’t deserve it
Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
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You don't build nukes to use them
You build nukes so you don't get nuked
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I don't think MAD matters to the Israeli government.
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They absolutely should open the investigation tho. All war criminals, no matter if Israeli or Iranian belong in prisons, not governments.
They absolutely should not. One sided enforcement is worse than no enforcement for perception of justice and stabilizing geopolitical norms.
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Except cluster bombs are not against the Geneva conventions. Though any weapon can break the Geneva conventions if intentionally aimed at civilians or some other situations.
Ukraine and Russia have been using cluster munitions on each other for years. US even gave Ukraine our obsolete stock of cluster munitions to specifically use on Russia. This definitely doesn't surprise me, and I'm gonna guess they continue to be weapons of war, just like unmanned drones, despite any collateral dangers. Collateral damage at rates of 1 civilian to 1 combatant are now normalized.
I've seen a few clips of ukranians taking angle grinders to the American cluster munitions. Apparently they remove the individual explosives to use as drone drops.
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Projection. It's the all to common playbook unfortunately.
It makes no sense to me that your title fits so perfectly, but the perfect simplicity made me laugh.
Lol as of Israel deserves the respect of other people following laws for it. Fuck Israel.
is there a non-israel/western source that confirms this actually happened?
Israel never withdrew from the ICC...
...because they never actually joined.
To join as a member state, you have to ratify the Rome Statute. They signed, but never ratified or acceded.
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