My wife and I were window shopping for mobile homes recently and they are not affordable. The smallest, cheapest one was $49,999 and it was a one-bedroom 20x36 unit.
In 2000 my parents bought their three-bedroom 2 bath 40×60 for like 6k less.
My wife and I were window shopping for mobile homes recently and they are not affordable. The smallest, cheapest one was $49,999 and it was a one-bedroom 20x36 unit.
In 2000 my parents bought their three-bedroom 2 bath 40×60 for like 6k less.
The poors will just have to deal with it until they figure it out, can’t be giving out real homes to them that are vastly safer, just manufactured death boxes.
They just need to put them in a field here in the fall. I've seen the wind blow down cinder-block silos.
Just build houses of stone. Europe even has got some that are 1000 years old.
The paper houses we love making already cost far more than 70% of the country can afford
You mean than the people can afford? Just build apartment complexes and subsidise them, social housing. Helps fight poverty as well. Combine that supernarkets nearby and job opportunities that can be accessed on a short walk.
I agree. I'm working on a bill proposal to my state for subsidized housing, including a design blueprint for the apartment complex. It also provides amenities onsite like a food garden, gym, library, and pools. I have a plan to get tenant unions, labor unions, and housing advocates onboard, but it will be a hell of a fight, especially in the current US
Just build houses of stone
The US did build houses out of stone, where it made sense. Many places don’t have easy access to stone for building, however 1/3 of the country is forested. Wood is available, economical and suitable for building single family homes in much of the country.
Europe even has got some that are 1000 years old.
And the US has Fairbanks House which is older than the country itself.
While material availability is an aspect, the big factor for most of the country is that stone houses fall down in earthquakes and are very sensitive to soil erosion, floods, etc. We build stone/concrete/brick houses all over the country, but generally not where they'll be a hazard to live in.
the big factor for most of the country is that stone houses fall down in earthquakes and are very sensitive to soil erosion, floods, etc.
I think you’re overstating it a bit. Those are considerations for a very small portion of the country, and in fact changes in building code to be less strict on materials made brick/stone no longer a requirement.
It’s primarily material availability. Milwaukee is a great example of the early availability of brick and its prevalence in construction until availability and cost, among other factors, drove the change to wood frame construction.
The east cost cities are good examples too. Boston, Philadelphia, New York all have a lot of brick due to the brickworks and availability but the farther west you go the less you see. This is, in a large part, because it’s expensive to transport brick/stone, especially when there’s an abundance of building material to harvest and use in the form of wood.
I would agree in modern times though it’s largely cost and climate that drive building material in the US and wood is not only suitable and cheaper, it’s also more flexible to build with.
Wood frames are also easier to insulate. Even brick houses made last 100 years are brick veneer, the brick offers no strength.
Solid stone houses are damp and cold, fine for European climates, but when you go into Scandinavia, wood makes more sense.
I appreciate that's literally the first site that comes up when you DDG "why are us houses made of wood" but it's credibility is... lacking (and I'll confess, I'm quite content having an answer that differs from the one given on an AI generated slop site.)
Anyways: I can't exactly agree with the idea that the entire US west coast is a "very small portion" of the country (being the 5 pacific states alone account for ~1/7 the population and ~1/5 the land mass, and the geologic "hot zone" that's relevant here extends much further east than those 5 alone). I recommend reading ASCE-7's section on seismic design (IEBC codes are much easier to obtain, but unfortunately also much less helpful) if you ever are having problems falling asleep / for further specific information about this topic and the performance of unreinforced and seismic retrofitted unreinforced masonry vs. wood construction in an earthquake. The prevalence of unreinforced masonry buildings in the east coast vs. west is without a doubt in no small part down to the availability of materials, but as is usual, treating the US as homogeneous is generally a recipe for unhelpful statistics. To illustrate some of the historical reasons as to why there are differences in building materials between the western and eastern US:

This image (source) is a charting of every 4.0+ earthquake in the lower 48 (4.0 being the general threshold at which seismically unreinforced (old) masonry buildings begin to sustain damage) for the past 125 years. You may be able to notice the little section labeled "Milwaukee" that is completely devoid of any big gray circle - I suggest that just perhaps this is a factor in the initial adoption and subsequent length of popularity of brick construction in that region, which from what I am reading appears to have continued a full 50-60 years after similar construction went out of popularity (or was outright not permitted) on the west coast. Certainly the availability of timber over brick in the regions was an important factor, but there the motivation for moving away from brick and stone was much more of an economic one, as there were few more complex motivating factors (like "the ground is trying to kill me" (instead the air frequently tries to kill you - an event that brick and stone are far more useful in combating)). There was ample unreinforced masonry construction in the west in the 1800s - 1900s, but for some unknowable reason there are very few examples of that construction remaining in the modern era...
I'm not saying economic pressures aren't a factor, but "will the building will fall down and smoosh me" (or sink into the swamp, or have it's foundation eroded away, or...) is similarly critical factor to consider.
I appreciate that's literally the first site that comes up when you DDG "why are us houses made of wood" but it's credibility is... lacking (and I'll confess, I'm quite content having an answer that differs from the one given on an AI generated slop site.)
You really don’t take a disagreement well. Don’t worry, it won’t happen from me again because I block anybody so fragile they respond like you did. But first:
~1/7 the population
Is that not smaller than 6/7?
~1/5 the landmass
Is that not smaller than 4/5?
I disagree on the subjective meaning of a very small portion but I guess we’ll just have to disagree.
Lmao you started it - you want to dismiss an argument go ahead, but maybe don't use slop to do it in the future. Idk if this is helpful advice tho; if this is what you consider "fragile" you're going to have a terrible time on lemmy.
And fwiw you misunderstood; while 1/7 is not very small, the population within the relevant area of the us (not just the 5 pacific states) is a very small amount under 1/2.
Stone, famous for it's thermal isolation properties and energy efficiency.
I was going to guess this was south carolina. but it sounds like florida built a bigger one.
They're both awful.
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