I was originally going to ask how many legal genders there should be, but I fail to see a compelling argument against 0.

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[–] 1 point 2 minutes ago*

I'd be okay if my sex was scrubbed from my driver's license. Like, I doubt there will ever be a doppelganger with my name at my address with my birthday that is contrary in sex to myself, ever.

But sadly, when the cops receive a report, they'll ask "were they male or female," which they'll use to in their investigation.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Not necessarily legal but tracking genders is extremely important for data analytics in almost every field. For example knowing certain diseases affects genders differently allows scientists to create better medicines or medicines that target different things. Like medicines that are specifically designed to be safe for pregnancy.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    If they no longer represent sex then census and demographic information is the only reason I can think of. Those are important things to track for a society trying to organize itself and plan for the future.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago*

    👆👆👆

    This is part of my problem with bigger transitioning than I've already done. I've reached about the point where I'd have to get my DL sex changed to not run into various problems and I'm already super uncomfortable with how much the government knows about my genitals. None of that ever should have been the government's business to begin with.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago

    You've discovered the transphobic argument.

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    [–] 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (4 children)

    We don't. They're entirely immaterial to a modern world.

    The instant 2 atheists got married, it opened the door to people of any gender pairing to get married. Marriage is just a social contact between 2 consenting adults ahemwith tax incentives. Only religion dictated which genders are allowed to do what.

    Conservative hand wringing over public restroom use is mitigated by making all bathrooms gender neutral. Easy fix.

    What else? Pink is for whoever the fuck likes it, you salmon short wearing closeted frat bros. You do you. Blue is for people doing Frozen cosplay. I dunno, gendered colors are so stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago*

    Those are good points. Genders and gendered colors always were inconvenient to me. I hate how women's gym shoes are always shitty colors and I have to worry about people offended because of traditional gender roles. It's annoying af.

    Pink is not considered feminine in many countries. Also, marriage is not Christian. Hindus, muslims, Buddhists, pagans, and all kind of folks get married and have before Christians existed. It's not one man and one woman. Massai warriors and Mormons have lots of wives.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    I know it's just a typo/autocorrect, but I seriously chuckled at "tax invectives."

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  • [–] 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

    So that people with an M on their passport can do obligatory military service

    (Yes, I am salty about this, how'd you know?)

    ((Also I think that's the only remaining way in which people with an M or an F are treated differently where I live so at least we're making some progress I guess))

    (((Oh also they need it to more effectively grope trans people at airport security)))

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Denmark made the military service mandatory for women too this year.

    I don't know of any legal differences at this point.

    There's still plenty of differences but not from a legal perspective.

    Like, maternity leave is longer than paternity leave, but that's not due to gender, but rather who is pregnant. For instance if a lesbian couple has a child, only one of them can have maternity leave, while the co-parent gets the equivalent to paternity leave.

    Also, men aren't screened for breast cancer and vice versa for prostate check-ups. I don't think that's done on a legal basis though, it's just a healthcare service aimed at different demographics. Anyone can request a prostate check or mammography and get it if the doctor finds it necessary.

    Changing rooms at public swimming facilities are separated by gender, but they often also have a third room which is for families with small children, people with handicaps or anyone else who don't want to or can't use the public showers.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 hours ago

    Also, men aren’t screened for breast cancer and vice versa for prostate check-ups. I don’t think that’s done on a legal basis though, it’s just a healthcare service aimed at different demographics. Anyone can request a prostate check or mammography and get it if the doctor finds it necessary.

    "Miss, I can confirm you still do NOT have a prostate. Please, stop coming here. This is very inappropriate"

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  • [–] 10 points 12 hours ago

    Because church and patriarchal society basically.

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  • [–] 37 points 17 hours ago* (26 children)

    Medical issues.

    Men and women have different anatomy and needs. Knowing your biological sex for medical reasons is kinda important.

    Everywhere else, it's a social construct and does not matter in the slightest.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 hours ago

    The blood group is very important too, for medical issues, but I don't think it is common to make it a legal marker (such as on passport).

    Also, some people are born not matching exactly the classical genders, and labeling them legaly male or female can be misleading for medical things...

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago* (3 children)

    "Biological sex" says jack shit about a trans person's biological characteristics, especially deep into transition. It's more often than not a dogwhistle that transphobes use to imply that trans women have the same violent sexual tendencies as many cis men, and to imply that those characteristics are somehow immutable.

    The state does not need to get involved in a medical discussion between a trans patient and their doctor.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago (2 children)
    • you're trans
    • you're involved in an accident
    • you're unconscious
    • EMTs administer medication at levels that a woman can handle depending on body fat composition and hormonal fluctuations
    • being a genetic male, you die because you lack the increased body fats and estrogen that was assumed in dosage

    I get your point, but it's important to have your gender somewhere on a trustworthy source that everybody has.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Emergency medication isn't dosed by gender, it's dosed by weight. It really would only matter with certain drugs in pregnancy.

    It is helpful to know the original gender for some things because certain illnesses present differently in men V women and not all of that changes post transition so if you are treating a man it would be helpful to know that he was born a woman so you don't brush off certain symptoms as minor if in fact in a women they would be very alarming. For example, men having heart attacks are more likely to present with the classic chest pain radiating to their arm. Women can have chest pain, but often present as sudden onset of nausea and vomiting with no pain. That's a rare presentation of a heart attack in a man, so a man complaining of severe nausea is more likely to be thought of as GI in nature, but if you know he's trans then alarm bells start screaming that this might be cardiac and you need to do an EKG now.

    But in an unconscious trauma patient, it doesn't really matter. If a trans man still has a uterus then that's an additional organ to be damaged that might not be expected, but that's not something that's going to be caught in the ambulance either way because we don't have a CT scanner hanging out in the cabinets.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    This sounds convincing, but then, is there actually any medication an EMT would administer based on sex? I honestly dont know.

    Maybe we should all have blood types written down somewhere, because that surely is the same situation right? (I mean, we should all know it, I don't)

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago

    Lol imagine going to a doctor and they can't figure out your gender if it's not on you legal documents.

    Get another Dr. I think this one got his license from Trump university

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

    Does it need to be tied to the legal system, though?

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    [–] 11 points 15 hours ago

    It's so the state can attack people. So it can control "marriage" privileges. Etc.

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  • [–] 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    That... is a good point

    It obviously did matter when same-sex marriages were not legal for example (some countries still do this...), but in most parts of the developed world today... yeah. I guess it does feel a bit grandfatherer-in right now

    Obviously things such as the medical system need to know what biological sex someone is, but they don't have to tie into the legal system

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