I didn't even know there was a second form of magnetism
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Here's the bit that sort of explains things:
"For more than 100 years, physicists generally divided collinear magnets into two fundamental categories: ferromagnets and antiferromagnets.
Ferromagnets have an overall magnetic alignment that produces a net magnetization. These materials are essential to many magnetic memory technologies used today. In conventional antiferromagnets, opposing magnetic moments cancel one another, leaving no overall magnetization and producing electronic behavior very different from that of ferromagnets.
Altermagnetism introduces a surprising third possibility.
Like antiferromagnets, altermagnets have magnetic moments that cancel out, resulting in no net magnetization. However, their electrons can exhibit properties previously associated with ferromagnets.
This unusual combination allows altermagnets to support electrical currents with strongly polarized electron spins while also displaying extremely rapid magnetic dynamics. Those characteristics could make them valuable for a new generation of spintronic devices, potentially advancing the speed and capabilities of future information technologies."
So not a third form of magnetism but a third form of magnets.
Basically a semiconductor for magnetism.
Yeah. I was confused for moment. Wait they found third field in addition to the electric and magnetic fields? Like that would be "throw Einstein out the window" level change.
Sure, that sounds like a pretty good analogy, but it didn't read as if you could program these? I just wonder more specifically what they do to the polarisation at what points. Could we make logic gates that practically require no power?
I want to understand this but I am not well educated here. So forgive my question, all I know about magnets is that opposite poles attract. Usually its called north pole and south pole or something, positive and negative poles.
Is that what is being called Antiferromagnets and Ferromagnets?
Ferromagnets have many molecule level magnets which align poles with other fields and antiferromagnets have opposing molecular magnets which cause all magnetic interaction to cancel out to zero.
So they're names of pole alignment types.
Not quite. Best I can gather is the material is different (ferrous material implies iron, but I think this describes the behavior, not the constituent parts).
I think that’s right, but maybe I’m annoingly wrong enough to elicite a smarter person to correct me 🫣
This is why I'm skeptical whenever someone states definitively that the laws of physics prevents so-and-so.
They are laws of man about physics, and men are both fallible and don't know what they don't know... until they know.
"Humans will never travel faster than light because of this and this."
Well, okay, for now.
You can be skeptical when someone says that the laws of physics prevent so-and-so, or you can be skeptical when someone says so-and-so breaks the laws of physics. The laws of physics were built from the cases observed so far, so they are correct except for extreme cases. It takes tremendous effort to find cases not yet covered.
As for the speed of light, it isn't a result of the laws, it's a basis for the laws: if we assume the speed of light is a constant above which no mass can travel, then all the laws and everything makes sense (causality). Otherwise, we get nonsense (non-causality).
For those interested in the original scientific publications about this, check the references here:
Hold up... There was a second form of magnatism?
There are (until recently) two phases of magnetism: ferromagnetic and antiferromagnetic. The other poster who replied said "dia and para"; their heart is in the right place, but their response is entirely incorrect.
I didn't know there was more than 1.
OK , this lack of knowledge must be rectified.
Can someone suggest reading material for those of us without doctorates that can explain this please.
I am not yet aware of reading material as you suggest, but I have just posted in here the simplest explanation I could make up myself.
I'd just get a used electromagnetism textbook that's only a few years old.
However, that's going to assume you already have a pretty solid base understanding of physics, you can't really just jump straight to electromagnetism. You could try, but it's likely gonna be like reading a different language.
Maybe look into classes at a local community college?
Imagine a material made of groups of atoms, each group having an arrow.
Ferromagnetism: If the material is in a magnetic field, all groups and their arrows point along the magnetic field.
Anti-ferromagnetism: If the material is in a magnetic field, half the groups and their arrows point against the magnetic field such that net magnetization is zero.
Altermagnetism: If the material is in a magnetic field, the groups may orient along different directions, but their arrows still align such that magnetization is zero.
What are the physical effects of each type? I understand ferromagnetism since that's just how iron behaves, but what do the other 2 look like?
I updated my answer. My challenge here is to write a rough understanding, without using any technical jargon (necessary for accuracy).
Is this the same discovery which allows control of the Electron orbit. I remember reading a while back that by controlling the direction can allow technologies to massively increase data storage by allowing more data into the same space - or something along those lines (my understanding is very basic!)
How does that work when there is only one electron in the universe?
Wow, this seems cool, but.. can someone eli42 what a new magnetic "phase" means in this context? There's phases in materials, electromagnetism, the atomic structure? More even? It seems that they refer to some definition of "magnetic phase" that I am unaware of? And why tf do we use that word for everything, can't we call it something more practical?
I went to the Wikipedia entry for altermagnetism and read the first paragraph. I didn't make it very far before I was reading it in Hubert Farnsworth's voice.
In condensed matter physics, altermagnetism is a type of persistent magnetic state in ideal crystals.[1][2][3][4][5] Altermagnetic structures are collinear and crystal-symmetry compensated, resulting in zero net magnetisation.[1][5][6][7] Unlike in an PT-symmetric collinear antiferromagnet, the electronic bands in PT-non-symmetric antiferromagnets (altermagnets) are not Kramers degenerate, but instead depend on the wavevector in a spin-dependent way due to the intrinsic crystal symmetry connecting different magnetic sublattices.[8][9][1][10] Related to this feature, key experimental observations were published in 2024.[11] It has been speculated that altermagnetism may have applications in the field of spintronics
Until now, there were two known magnetic phases: ferromagnetic and antiferromagnetic.
The best analogy I've seen, though significantly over-simplified, is a great way to visualize the basics magnetic phases. Think of any given material as being a highway, and the electromagnetic energy within that material as two types of cars: blue cars and orange cars. It may be useful to think of the highway as a "North/South" highway, as in magnetic poles, but again, that is a significant oversimplification, and only meant as an illustration, not an explanation of what is actually happening within the material at a quantum level.
A ferromagnetic "highway" is basically a one-way road; the conditions of the road only allow blue cars to move in a single direction, no other color or direction of travel is allowed. This phase attracts only blue cars moving in one direction, and repels orange cars, as well as blue cars moving in the opposing direction. This type of "highway" is what creates what we commonly know as magnetism.
An antiferromagnetic "highway" allows both colors to travel equally in both directions; this phase of motion has an equal amount of force in both directions regardless of a car's direction or color, and so this type of "highway" is what we would find in non-magnetic materials.
The new phase of magnetism is called altermagnetism. In a conventional antiferromagnet, both kinds of cars generally experience the same road conditions. In an altermagnet, the roads effectively favor different kinds of cars depending on which direction they travel. Travel along one direction, and the blue cars might be favored. Travel along another, and the orange cars might be favored. Importantly, neither kind of car dominates the entire road.
That's the unusual feature of altermagnetism: the car's behavior depends on direction, even though the material has no net magnetization.
It seems like you understand this but I feel like I'm missing part of the concept. What does that mean in physical terms?
Like, how do the blue and orange cars relate to magnetic domains?
We are still working to fully understand how all of the fundamental forces emerge from their respective fields, so there's still a lot that we don't yet know about how magnetism works. Even top researchers feel like they're missing part of the concept 😅
In the analogy, the blue and orange cars represent magnetic moments (spin) of electrons. I want to emphasize that the analogy hand-waves a lot of what is actually happening in the material in favor of simplicity.
I think, colour is electron spin in this analogy. But I also can't wrap my head around this
So animal, mineral AND vegetable?
When ICP became a meme for not knowing how magnets worked, I didn't participate. Nobody really knows how magnets work. Everyone just assumes scientists know how magnets work and that it's known, even when everyone making fun of ICP (not that there aren't things to make fun of them for) didn't know themselves how magnets work.
But the kicker is, nobody knows how magnets work. Keep asking how and keep getting deeper into it and you hit a wall of "it's a fundamental force". So the best answer to the question of how a magnet works is the same as how a posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth works. It just does.
its okay. you dont have to tie yourself into knots like this. you can just like bands other people think are cringe. be yourself 🤡
Isn't that kind of the thing, though? We don't really know how many of the fundamental forces like gravity work, we just have hypotheses about their effects.
So first is ferromagnetic, second is electromagnetic, and third is altermagnetic?
Shhh, keep it down, or Trump is going to want one.

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