*This comic was about France in 2021, but this style seems much more widespread.

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[–] 6 points 3 hours ago

Architectural degeneration.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Fachwerksbau (Alsace) is just fetish harness for houses, change my mind.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago

    Curious that Provence needed neither chimneys nor garages.
    What's that about?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I just love modern monochromatic architecture. Inject glass walls, metal accents, and white concrete into my veins.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago

    I am a unique and special snowflake.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

    This is dictated by cost and the desire to insulate. It's possible to build well insulated buildings that look traditional, but it's going to cost more and it's not going to improve the quality of living inside the house.

    Flat rectangular insulation panels with plaster on top placed on large flat surfaces -vs- irregularly shaped insulation with a cavity and a bespoke brick faΓ§ade. Just the bricks alone, so without the labour, is going to cost about the same as the finished plaster. In the long term brick and a sloped roof should require less frequent renovations, but I doubt that it would ever offset the higher initial cost.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    You can stick a fancy facade on basically any wall construction to make it look like an old-half timbered style, or brick, or stone, etc.

    But trying to actually build an old brick/stone/plaster and timber monstrosity today wouldn't be smart. Insulation, moisture control, energy efficiency, and even creature comforts like wifi signal penetration are all miles better with newer construction methods.

    I agree the architecture is boring, but again, it doesn't have to look this way. However, I think most people would rather have the soulless gray box than have uncontrollable mold spreading across their walls unless they leave the windows open in winter.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 hours ago*

    Yep, I've lived in old buildings most of my life (very german predilection for the "Altbau" I guess) and I'm not sure whether people are aware how much energy it costs.

    I love 3.5m ceilings and 2.5m high windows, I love thick walls made from solid stone, that's how I grew up, in a rented place in a wonderful turn-of the century building. ... it's not even expensive to rent compared to where I live now. But heating alone costs enough that it could pay for a single room somewhere else. And given that the walls are thick, but not insulated, you have to make sure you heat it, make sure you don't put things too close to the wall, otherwise you might have to battle moisture and moldy walls. In fact, if the windows insulate too well it might even be a drawback because the moisture can't escape, and you have to air the rooms (the very german habit of "Stoßlüften") frequently to not get mold.

    The rectengular zero-energy buildings of today, you probably don't need to heat much. Friends of mine used to live in a building like that. Well insulated, three-pane windows, all that. They barely had to turn the heat on in the middle of winter. Body heat, residual heat from cooking and what not, it's practically enough to keep the place warm.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    Yeah, I'm looking into insulating my 100+ year old house, and it might mean the stones on the base need to be flattened and covered up. The windows and some of the doors are now plastic, since the previous ones (that were already not the original) were water damaged, which somehow involved the indoor doors too.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

    Unless you build the house to last 200 years, with occasional maintenance. No drywall monstrosity will survive that long.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago

    Is that good though? In Japan they build houses with the expectation that they’re only going to last one generation and then will be rebuilt, and the result is that housing is actually affordable because there isn’t nearly as much speculative investing in housing driving up house prices.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    I'd think it was always quite expensive to build like that, and what we see today is what survived. A lot of (european) vernacular architecture is just ... not that.

    In fact I'd think the "old" houses in the comic, would need constant maintenance. Paint the wooden windows, make sure they don't distort, a new roof every 20-30 years. The places you see in a deserted italian, french or spanish village might have been uninhabited for a few decades, and are basically ruins.

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  • I live in the Philadelphia area and a lot of the row houses here dating to a century or more ago have absolutely beautiful brickwork, incredibly creative and interesting stuff, often on houses that these days barely sell for $100K. It would be completely impossible to duplicate this kind of thing today even with a construction budget of millions. The craftsmen who can do that kind of work are nonexistent now -- today you're lucky to find somebody who can lay bricks in a straight line.

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  • [–] 46 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    If it got more people into houses I wouldn't give a shit, but sadly, its shitty in both ways

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  • [–] 9 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    There are a lot of high density housing being built in my city after some planning rule changes to enable it.

    It's unpopular to say the least.

    I'm just happy that it means more people get to live in a house.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 hours ago

    As long as the house has at least 1 window each on opposing sides, and at least 2 metres of spacing between the next plot margin, I'd give it a pass.
    I'm writing this from an area where I won't find such a place even if I were to pay 1/3 of my salary as rent.

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  • [–] 149 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    "Guess you guys aren't ready for that yet, but your cat's are gonna love it."

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    [–] 109 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (30 children)

    You can blame this guy: Adolf Loos, at least in part.

    Major influence behind Modernism. He was mainly reacting against Art Nouveau which he was a staunch critic of.

    "The evolution of culture marches with the elimination of ornament from useful objects" is the core theme of his essay "Ornamentation and Crime" .

    Basically,

    1. ornamentation causes buildings and useful objects to go out of style.

    2. Things that go out of style require materials and manpower to update.

    3. It is the moral imperative of the designer to make useful things, things that need to be redone are less useful and are wasteful.

    4. Therefore it is the moral imperative of the designer to remove all ornamentation from design.

    He saw ornamentation as "degenerate" and equated ornamentlessnes with moral and intellectual development. He also made it a race thing. He used the example of people from Papua New Guinea having tattoos. Paraphrasing: "these primitive savages ornament themselves with tattoos, we enlightened europeans don't. We smart, they dumb. Therefore ornament = dumb bad, no ornament = good smart. See?"

    He was a major inspiration behind the modernist movement. It helped that unadorned buildings are cheaper and easier to construct - especially with the advent of cheap glass and steel construction. So you end up with this sort of soulless architecture that gives no sense of time or place - that tells you nothing about its purpose or the people who built/use it.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 hours ago

    At least all the things I see on the buildings in the top picture seem to have a utilitarian purpose.
    Of course, how well they fulfilled their purpose would have depended upon the availability of materials and manufacturing processes at the time.

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