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[–] 9 points 2 days ago

The USA sixth amendment has the confrontation clause, which gives the accused the right to face their accuser in court. If this were to happen here then we shouldn't have to play their games and hand over more of our personal information. We should be able to take the company to court for slander - they have accused us of a crime - and we should demand they present that evidence in court to justify that slander. Either they submit the evidence - allowing the accused to disprove it - or they don't present the evidence and the accused wins their slander case against the company.

That's how it should work. I don't know WTF the judicial system is going to do with AI lobbing criminal accusations at people. Maybe we end up living in a perpetual panopticon where AI is studying us every second of every day looking for some way to charge us with a crime.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

    its infuriating that law enforcement is this incompetent. to arrest innocent people is unacceptable. i hope they all get hundreds of millions each. these people cops need to learn lessons and get educated on the law so they dont enforce the laws wrong, like in this case

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Oh, not just arrest. I don’t know if it was Ai or not, but the 1y/o who was recently mudered by police was in the car with people falsely accused of shoplifting. The family was told by the courts that it was a “reasonable use of force”.

    Wild that largely untrained cops can dole out the death penalty to a bystander for a crime that has little-to-no inherent urgency and would never carry a sentence even a fraction as severe.

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  • [–] 40 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    That isn't kafkaesque, that's just authoritarian.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    To be Kafkaesque is to not know what you are accused of and/or to have no real mechanism to defend the accusations. The Kafkaesque part is the private network of 'justice' that makes judgements which impact someone's access to basics like food based on an opaque algorithm with no recourse.

    These private systems are worst when they are networks across multiple stores - you could imagine a future where, if left to the devices of late stage capitalism (i.e. not effectively regulated), it could become virtually impossible to buy food and other essentials once you are on a privately held denylist that retailers pay to access, where those on the list have no insights into how they got on the list nor any mechanism to correct any inaccuracies that unfairly led to them being on the list.

    TL;DR: I think Kafkaesque is correct here.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 days ago

    Imagine being hunted by the police because someone didn't run an update or is running the AI software through some shitty, 180p security camera.

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  • [–] [S] 152 points 4 days ago (10 children)

    The AI gets to accuse you based on a bad guess, while you have to file paperwork and surrender more personal data to prove you didn’t steal a pack of vitamins. »Innocent until proven guilty« is now a premium feature.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 days ago (8 children)

    if you’re a billionaire you can be proven guilty and still be considered innocent

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  • [–] 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    A false accusation of theft is literally Libel.

    So anybody rich enough or who is a Lawyer or Judge can easilly take them to Court for it and win compensation.

    As with most nasty things, it's only done to the riff-raff, not the upper-middle and upper class.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    This will ultimately be the death of retail stores.

    Half the reason anyone wants to go to a store in 2026 is to have a good time shopping in person. If going to the store leads to any chance of a shitty experience? Fuck it dude, I'll just order online like everyone else I suppose.

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    [–] 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

    The world would be dramatically better if about 10,000 specific people died

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    [–] 53 points 4 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

    What is wild about all this is looking back to the old social contract and how it basically made this fobitted forbidden.

    The best example is the movie minority report in which they had a fool proof way to 100% of the time predict the future.

    I won’t spoil the movie, but the whole premise was that even if there was one instance of it making a mistake, and a innocent person was put on ice by mistake, then the whole thing had to be shut down.

    And in today’s reality: all of big tech’s new tools make mistakes constantly, sometimes more than getting things right, and it’s still full steam ahead on the rollout.

    MFW dystopian movies were too optimistic

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    [–] 42 points 3 days ago (14 children)

    Self Checkouts are not even self checkout anymore. You go up and scan your stuff then 2 times out of 3 someone has to come over and approve that you scanned everything. At that point just open the normal lanes back up

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  • [–] 15 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    I literally stopped shopping at Kroger over this. If you're gonna accuse me of stealing every third item I scan because I use a reusable shopping bag instead of the single-use plastic ones, you aren't getting my business.

    I think the only one more over it than me was the poor associate who had to keep signing in to watch videos of me scanning stuff.

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    [–] 50 points 4 days ago (25 children)

    Can we actually see the reports? Not saying it can't happen but using AI in articles creates lots of views. Is "Home Bargin" the only store doing this? Is it only in the UK? This is really poor reporting here.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 days ago (22 children)

    Anecdotally my wife keeps getting flagged by Walmart and they have to come watch her bag at the self checkout every time she uses one. So far no where else, just there. She uses them many other places, so she’s not acting suspicious or using it wrong.

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  • [–] 48 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Please stop shopping at places that treat you as if you are a criminal. Self checkouts are already customer hostile but essentially being treated as a potential shoplifter for using one should cause you to take your business elsewhere if at all feasible.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    I don’t know their specific situation, but Walmart is often the only viable option for many lower population areas or late-night needs. A large part of Walmart’s expansion strategy is moving into a small town, then under-pricing all of their stuff at a loss. They keep selling things at a loss until all of the other local shops close, because they can’t compete with Walmart’s lower prices. Then once all of the local competition is run out of town, Walmart jacks their prices up because they’re the only option in town.

    They’re also often one of the only grocers that stays open late. This means they’re often the only viable option for third-shift workers, because the alternative would be waking up at their equivalent of 2AM to go grocery shopping.

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    [–] 38 points 4 days ago (17 children)

    When I worked at Lowe's they could tell the instant shoplifters pulled into the parking lot. They even had nicknames for the repeat offenders.

    "Heads up, Dumb and Dumber just pulled in, no doubt headed for lumber."

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    [–] 26 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    You write just one book about a labyrinthine bureacracy and people use your name to curse organisational dysfunction forever.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 days ago* (7 children)

    A situations like this makes me use a form of Malapropism one would expect of a Dickensian society to bring about almost Orwellian situation. Makes you wonder when someone will use Chekhov’s Gun before it all gets Bowdlerized. Alas this Machiavellian paragraph is reminiscent of a Lovecraftian creature.

    But seriously, that paragraph above reads like the scene in Blackadder when they meet the writer of the Dictionary.

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  • [–] 40 points 4 days ago* (23 children)

    False accusation isn't a crime over there?
    What a shitty place!

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    [–] 20 points 4 days ago

    This is a great way for people to lesen how this technology can be used negatively. Get the backlash early before it has completely infected everything.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 days ago

    Someone must have been telling lies about Some slop machine must have misidentified Josef K., he knew he had done nothing wrong but, one morning, he was arrested.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago* (4 children)

    Kafkaesque nightmares

    I gotta read something besides The Metamorphasis because all I associate with that phrase is physical body horror of becoming a bug. Somehow I don't think that's what they meant here.

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    [–] 15 points 3 days ago*

    I worked at my local Goodwill (they're split up by region). We kept a close eye on known shoplifters, but we couldn't say anything and even my boss couldn't say anything unless he literally saw them conceal the object then walk out of the store and never broke eye contact. They said the store could get sued if we stopped them and they had ditched the contraband in the moment we looked away.

    I don't see why the stores discussed here should be treated differently. Someone needs to sue these surveillance stores until they stop automating false accusations.

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