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[–] hark@lemmy.world 88 points 6 days ago (5 children)

We should've gotten a 4-day work week decades ago. Now it should be a 3-day work week at most and I'm being generous. The capitalists are always screeching about the low birth rate, but if people were working 3 days a week and making a decent living off that time, it would help the birth rate because then a household with two working parents could be scheduled on different days and alternate staying home with the child, plus have a shared day off every week.

Anyway, that's just a selling point to make to the capitalists. Whether or not it helps with the birth rate doesn't matter as much as the fact that we're owed shorter work weeks thanks to all the blood, sweat, and tears that labor has put into making the world as wealthy as it is now. What's the point of all this work if not to improve our standard of living? Technology making our lives better is hitting diminishing returns and now it's often not making our lives better or it's even making our lives worse.

[–] Gorilladrums@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The argument for a 4 day work week is that studies have shown it maintains the same level of productivity as a 5 day workweek, but it makes people happier, so it doesn't slow down the economy, but actually improves it. What's the argument for a 3 day work week?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago (9 children)

Because people deserve more time to be people. Not everything has to serve the Holy Economy.

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[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A 3 day work week maintains the same level of productivity and makes people happier.

What's the argument for a 2 day work week?

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

My reading of their argument is that when the 5 day a week, 40 hour work week began there was a specific level of productivity. As technology increased the output increased. If we believe that recent increases make it so that we only need to work 4 days to maintain our current output, we should be owed 3 days because by the same logic long ago we should've dropped to 4.

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[–] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I think the argument would be that the productivity gains that have happened since the 5 day work week was implemented means that if we want that same level of productivity then a 3 day work week would get that. It would be less productive then currently but the argument would be that a lot of that productivity is just going towards the profits of the companies through having to hire less people. Instead if you wanted to maintain current productivity with a 3 day work week you'd have to hire more people which is good with the amount of wealth transfer and inequality that's been happening.

Edit: not to mention how bad the job market has been recently as well.

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[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Imagine being rich as fuck because you're working 6 days a week instead of still barely making ends meet.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

George Jetson's work week was one hour a day, two days a week. That's what we were promised we'd get once everything was automated, not that Spacely Space Sprockets would make us work 60 hours a week and pocket all the extra productivity for themselves.

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We should get a 4 day work week anyway even with reduced hours. It is fucking ridiculous people think that it is possible to do anything but the simplest tasks actively for 8 hours without breaks and be productive. People who think that are either stupid or have never spent a single second analyzing what they do in their day. Practically all companies already operate with their employees getting all work done within a few hours and lounging away with tiny bits of looking busy throughout the day. Might as well let them go home and rest so they can have higher motivation, clearer minds and more productivity. It's a win win.

[–] lorski@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Studies show productivity has a sharp drop off after 6 hours iirc

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago

Mine starts badly, tails off a little in the middle, and the least said about the end the better, but other than that I always give 100%.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

3-day by now. 4-day was due before AI, so why would this great boost not make the difference?

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

3-day week, baseline annual salary across the board of $100,000, free health care for all and capital asset tax of 95% over $50 million

Who's with me?

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The people.

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[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Let's make anything over 32 hours double pay.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

4 days is kinda outdated, like how the $15 minimum is so long overdue it's moot. 24 hours. 3 days working vs 4 days living. We deserve to live more than we work.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Absolutely agree. They wanna complain about entitlement. They think they're entitled to 3/4 of all of our lives.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Suppose that at a given moment a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins as before. But the world does not need twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world everybody concerned in the manufacture of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more insane be imagined?

—Bertrand Russell, In Praise of Idleness, 1935

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] NotProLemmy@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago (4 children)
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[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If AI is so productive, we should have Unuversal Basic Income, and free college/vocational education for anyone who wants it.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

America? Educating their population? For free??

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But then they couldn't pay 1/2 as many people as they used to while still expecting the same amount of work to get done.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 17 points 6 days ago

Charmingly naive thinking the oligarchs will ever be happy with the level of production they get in return for less and less of their wealth.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

We could have done this 150 years ago when oil gave us 100 times more energy back than it took to extract it.

Humans are a defective species, we must see others suffer.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Nah it’s just that the socio-economic system we’re stuck with that literally incentivizes ghoulish behavior that causes suffering. Change the system, change humanity.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 days ago

Most of my jobs expect higher output over the same duration.

So...yeah.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

No, no, no. They'll just make it so that each of us is expected to do more since AI is "helping" us. Success under capitalism just leads to more work. The number has to keep going up. If they get their arms twisted they may give us a day off, but they will absolutely decrease the pay. My fear is that they would also go, "Oh, well, since you're not working 40 hours a week, even though it's the same work, so no benefits for you 🤷🏿‍♀️."

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago
[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's already cooked Bernie. It's a charred dead carcass.

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[–] RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's cool and all but what about maximum salary hours?

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[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

Pfff that's coward numbers. I'll do you one better:

We should get a 3-day work week.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, in Germany: There are a lot of unemployed people, and there are a lot of people who want a four-day week, so what we desperately need is working longer hours.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

?

Oh. I missed the sarcasm. But yes, that is how conclusions work in my country, as well.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 6 days ago

Yeah, they just like squeezing out some more. Why should the efficiency gains of the last decades help the people, after all? No, what we really need is richer billionaires.

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