Only thing to do now is turn around and chomp 'em!
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Persistence predation is the only way I can manage to take my cats to the vet.
Did you try just picking them up and having a towel or blanket underneath in case they want to dig their claws into something, and hand in their shoulders in case they try to escape? That's what Ive done for years and it is so much less stressful on everyone involved.
The problem is getting a hold of them in the first place. They just bolt from one hiding place to another, and I say "hiding place" but they're not as much "hidden" as "hard to reach when you are a human-sized human". The only reason I eventually manage to catch them is that ambush predators get tired quicker than persistence predators.
How do they know youre taking them to the vet?
The hate being picked up in general, even if there is no threat of vet, so they'll struggle to get out of my arms and if they succeed - I've lost the element of surprise.
Also - I have two cats, and if I need to take both to vet then even if I manage to place one in a carrier he'll alert the other that something is wrong.
Mine know that it's vet time the second i get the transport boxes out of storage. I have to be pretty silent while they sleep so they don't notice that, or else i have to use persistance predation too.
e: a possible workaround is to store the transport boxes in different places everytime, but my options are limited.
Hey I don't have cats so it might be a bit different, but I've had a few dogs over the years and I figure it would be similar. Your cats probably associate the carriers with going to the vet which it sounds like they're not a fan of. Their thought process is probably carrier = vet = no thank you.
Have you tried to put them into the carrier without actually taking them to the vet? Drop some treats in there, let them explore it at their own pace, close it for a minute or two, and then either reward or praise them after release? Keep progressing to the point that treats are no longer required to lure them and they enter on their own, but still reward them on release. Rinse and repeat (and repeat and repeat and repeat). Over time they may change their attitude towards the carrier their mindset may turn into carrier = treats and praise.
If they're not food motivated you may have to use alternate bait such as toys or nip.
I often let the carriers stand outside, and they even sleep in them. i must be giving off other vibes when i take them out for the doc visit.
No transport box. You just put blanket in your arms and pick the cat up, carry it to the car.
we have no car and use public transport. its a short ride, about 10 minutes bus and 10 minutes walk time, or about 40 minutes walking only (while carrying a cat in a box).
I didn't have a car in my entire life, because public transport in my city (Vienna) has great interval times, are nearly always clean and cheap to ride; long distance i prefer trains.
You cant take the cat on the bus?
Just how docile are your cats? If I'd take my cats to the bus without a container I'd have to run back and forth trying to fish them from the overhead storage racks when I reach my stop.
I tried releasing them in my car once, and they managed to squeeze under the driver and passenger seats. At least that was an environment fully under my control.
Its not that theyre docile, I was barely able to get one of them into the carrier with help, and it pissed in the process. Its more that in my arms theyre more afraid of everything that isnt me and if they try to escape, I can grip harder.
funnily, my mother-in-law drove us to the vet one time, and my cats puke when getting driven around. using no transport box is no option, since 2 of our cats were feral when we got them, so they know how to survive in the wild and have no issues running off into the next group of bushes.
Inside you there are two snails...
Fun fact: the guy who first proposed this "running man" hypothesis about persistence hunting in the late 1960s (Grover Krantz) was better known as a staunch advocate for the existence of Bigfoot. Personally, I can't believe that anybody could still believe in Bigfoot - it's so obviously just a Yeti in a gorilla suit.
For some weird reason, Krantz's skeleton and that of his favorite dog are on display at the Smithsonian.
The father of modern day physics changed course and started studying alchemy, chronology, biblical interpretation, losing himself to mysticism. He'd probably research big foot if he was alive as well. That doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss his real magnum opus
Contrary to modern-day physics, the "persistence hunting" thing is very much not a scientific consensus. It's more of a fringe idea supported by hardly any science that somehow made it into popular science.
There's about as much credible evidence to that theory as there is to the theory that eating chocolate helps with losing weight.
Wikipedia politely labels persistence hunting as "conjecture". It's interesting that pretty much everything important from our ancestral past (e.g. fire-making, flint-napping tools, spears, skins and furs etc.) can be and regularly is reproduced by modern people. But somehow you never see modern people jogging down deer and killing them - even with the benefits of modern footwear, portable water containers, a carbohydrate-rich diet for energy, and GPS trackers.
somehow made it into popular science
The "somehow" as far as I can tell is the David Attenborough documentary bit that supposedly shows a Khoi-San hunter doing it. Richard Lee and a team of Harvard anthropologists extensively studied the !Kung (a Khoi-San people) during the '60s and '70s and there was never a mention in any of the literature this produced about these people engaging in persistence hunting. What they did describe was the practice of hunting with poisoned spears and arrows and then tracking the wounded, poisoned animal for days until it dropped and could be butchered. Needless to say, this is not persistence hunting.
The popular anthropologist Marvin Harris also featured Krantz' work is his final book Our Kind (which is where I first heard of it), but I don't think enough people read that book for it to have been the source of the idea's current popularity.
"losing"
who's that? Leibnitz? not Newton?
No, they're talking about Newton, who did go kinda batshit as an older man.
I was playing tag with my kid yesterday. He's 3, almost 4. He's very fast for his age, but not as fast as me. He asked to play tag because he just learned it in school. I could dodge to the side as he was getting close and change direction. I could fake him out. I could sprint to the other side of our 1 acre meadow to creat space. But he just kept coming. Smiling and laughing the whole time. I'm starting to get winded. Hands on my knees for a second after a sprint, but only for a second as he's closed the gap already. His undeterred motivation and pace was scary. He was going to get me eventually, and he seemed to know it.
I now know how the victims of Chucky must have felt.
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