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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Some of these men call other men "males" as well. I used to call both genders by such "technical" terminology because I did not think it was offensive until a woman complained in a forum I frequented like 15 years ago.

TBH I feel annoyed that I can't use those terms because I know some guys use the term to intentionally dehumanize specifically women and I am not that sort of guy. But also I really tend to embrace neutral/technical/clinical language a lot because of a general disdain for romantic thinking and language.

Things are not more than what they are.

[–] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

anything you call people will offend some people….
i’m sure some chucklefyck doesn’t want to be called a “people”… actually “you people” is often offensive.
it’s all about context, and being as respectful as is reasonable… for example, “retard” literally means “slow”… you could retard the growth of a plant. mentally retarded was just a term for having severe cognitive disabilities that made you unable to interact normally and made you need care to live… but through a history of people abusing those people, and of course using that as an insult made it offensive and dehumanizing.
with calling people “females”, i think it’s because it’s extremely uncommon except for when people are dehumanizing women… so when someone innocently use the term they can be seen as likely oppressive… due to context.
also, given the transphobia thing, and scientific/anthropology defining female as the biological sex and woman as the associated gender, one might think you’re slipping transphobia into regular conversation…
and of course people like simple heuristics so “guys who call women ‘females’ are likely bad people”, works well enough….

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[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 72 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I think it's as weird and antisocial as the next guy to call women "females" but I also think it's weird that it's treated like not receiving approval from women is the worst possible thing that can happen to a man when implying that women need male approval is obviously sexist

[–] quack@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Personally I think that using sexual desirability as a point of ridicule is pretty toxic regardless of who is doing it and it's not going to help to solve the problem, but "not receiving approval from women" kind of is the worst possible thing that can happen for a lot of them, at least in their minds. The whole "men and females" thing has its roots in incel culture and they're well known to obsess over the tiniest facets of their interactions with women to the point of nausea, looking for any excuse to condemn women for not being attracted to them. They see not receiving approval from women as the ultimate condemnation of not only women, but also themselves. It's why people use it as an insult - it's effective against them.

[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

I really don't think making this about incels makes sense and I'll demonstrate why:

Woman calls me unfuckable -> I'm an incel

I call a woman unfuckable -> I'm an incel

There's little logical consistency around the topic and it's kind of just become a loophole to cancel morality when it comes to attacking men. I'm really careful with my wording to avoid triggering this response because if I do, people stop processing what I'm saying and they start dogpiling.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

idk, some incels will certainly act like not getting approval from women was the worst possible thing that could happen to them, and then go and do something much worse to others

[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago (13 children)

yeah but this post isn't about incels. posts like these shoot strays at all men

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I agree, it specifically says “those men,” so I think the idea is that men who see women as wombs or genes or whatever should also expect to be viewed with the same lens

[–] PoPoP@lemm.ee 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not about that. It's their choice of insult. Saying "people who voted for Trump are retarded" doesn't make it not ableist just because you specified it's about Trump voters. Catch my drift?

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like this is one of those things that women think will make men uncomfortable, but really winds up making their day because men are so starved of positive connection that even a neutral commentary on their life is refreshing because that means someone is paying attention to them.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't describe being called "unfuckable" neutral. But yeah they probably would like some level of attention, even the negative kind.

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[–] Apepollo11@lemmy.world 83 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I always find it weird when guys refer to girls as "females". I can't help but read it in a Ferengi voice.

"Females and finances don't mix. Rule of Acquisition 94."

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My favorite thing about that is that, in DS9, a female ferenghi goes on to be the most successful leader of their people ever.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Meh, it's a thing in the military because female military members are segregated and have different uniforms.

A woman in the military isn't described as that, they're a "femal soldier/sailor/marine" and all their uniforms, regs, standards, and housing comes with that prefix.

Even tho "female" descriptor comes first it's to ingrain that above all else they're a service member.

It's about what the noun is.

It took a couple years till I stopped slipping, and I understand why a service member would use it. That shit gets so beat intto you that you really don't even notice it. So when you get let out into the civilian world, it's hard to break the habit. Those people would appreciate being called out that what they're doing is weird for civvies tho.

But yeah...

99% of the people using it are just fucking weird.

[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"Female " isnt at all as bad as just... "female", the prior is a clarifying adjective, the latter is using it as a descriptive noun.

Like if I say "Female Officers suffer from above average sexual harassment" that statement isnt a big deal.

If I say "You are a beautiful female" to a woman though, it sounds disgusting.

I mean literally just compare these two basic statements.

"Go hand this package to that Female Officer over there" (This just distinguishes the Female Officer from the Male Officers probably standing near her)

vs

"Go hand this package to that Female over there" (this sounds like you are an alien visiting earth and talking to me)

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[–] onion_trial 13 points 1 day ago

I had no idea that this term has a negative connotation to it. I knew it only as a very neutral, rational term. But when I literally translate it to my native language, then I'll start to understand it. Used in the given context, it's objectifying and degrading and I guess it's the same for English.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The male looks in the mirror and realizes he'll die alone. He tries to distract himself with glass rectangles.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, fuck off.

I'm not using my glass rectangle just to be reminded of that.

[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The rectangle is mysterious and important.

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Sounds ok to me (male).

"The male wakes up at 7am, so he can prepare for his office work; he's tired and being worn down, yet somehow remains resolute. In this way, he channels the spirit of the emperor penguin and endures."

Remember folks, the gender wars distract from the class wars we should all be engaged in!

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

Remember folks, the gender wars distract from the class wars we should all be engaged in!

Excuse me but the class war IS a war against the patriarchy

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

thank god i don't rate my value as a human to if someone else considers me fuckable or not.

that is ick and ew no matter which gender

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Calling someone a "female" to their face certainly makes you unfuckable tho.

[–] robador51@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

If your native language is English and your intent is to be demeaning, sure

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been referred to as a “male” or “man” or “cis gender male” and it doesn’t bother me one single bit. I generally just avoid people who get offended over every little “wrong” word

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Amen to this man. People get too tied up in little words and stupid shit. So many bigger fish to fry but you'll get upset when someone uses the word female in any context.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The word "female" should not be a negative. What a weird anti-intellectual direction this world is taking.

Might as well ban the word "cloud" next.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

I doubt any male would find this offensive. Call em males, they are afterall. If anything they will most likely play into the narration and make you say some absurd shit just for the lulz

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I only use the term 'females' in the context of ... some kind of discussion of medical or biological studies ... or to differentiate between a girlfriend and a platonic female friend...

But I am guilty of the whole open fridge and sigh thing.

However.

If I turned around and David Attenborough was physically present, narrating me... I think I would be overjoyed and just try to get him to watch a nature documentary with me.

Or even better, go outside and just continue to be amused at his narration of me, and see if I can't get him to a park or something and see if he switches over to narrating the ducks.

[–] Noedel@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

I'm not a native speaker, but I think it's normal to request a "female nurse" but asking for a "woman nurse" sounds weird. But saying "I would like my nurse to be a woman" sounds normal again

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