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It‘s no brand thing. It‘s just a reaction on the way Ubisoft releases games these days and yes, the game could have been better but without the Star Wars-tag, it wouldn‘t have been noticed at all.
Agree. I played the shit out of this game and it was good. But it could have been so much better. All the ships and weapons and planets in the star wars universe and we get 1 ship and 1 weapon and 4 meh planets. So many missed opportunities that could have made this game great.
💯! Alone KOTOR 1 and 2 in a remastered version would be something worth dying for - never stop dreaming! 🙏🏻
It's almost like if I'm constantly fed slop I avoid it
these arrogant assholes.
just like movies and TV, the waning interest in the franchise is only because you keep making shitty games with it.
If you people start making GOOD star wars stuff again, we WILL eat it up.
Andor is an example of excellent Star Wars content that people want to see. They just produced crap.
I actually strongly disagree.
Andor was an example of actually telling a new story. Yes, people were eager to know who Cassian was. But If you had polled the entire Star Wars fanbase, like five of us would have said "Oh, I want a deeply political story with a massive focus on social justice that heavily focuses on a politician and a spymaster's daughter. Also, hold back zero punches about the kind of people who would spearhead a rebellion. Like, how crazy can Forrest go?". And we would have fully admitted we were on our bullshit.
Which was basically the problem with Outlaws. Everyone has been asking for a Han Solo game since people realized a Star Wars Pacman could be a thing. And you need to go REAL hard to make that live up to people's expectations.
Which, getting back to Andor: I would go so far as to say everything up until The Prison is REALLY rough. You have moments of brilliance (basically any time Skarsgard is on screen) but it spends too much time on a plot point it had already dropped and Cassian is kind of a mary sue. But we were enthralled because this was something NEW (well, less so if you have ever read a political thriller but... Star Wars!). And once it found its legs... it was painful beauty in all the best ways.
And, to go back to "It is a Han Solo game" or "It is a Jedi knight but not a Jedi Knight" and so forth? It doesn't take much to realize "I have seen this story a million times" and wander off. Like, I know I basically did that once I heard there were insta-fail stealth sections (although I generally try to not give Ubi money to begin with). Same with Ginger McBoring Face Survivor. It had an interesting hook (I LOVED Dark Times and Dass Jennir) and the gameplay was fine but when it came time to come back for seconds it was just "Eh, I'm good".
Nah. We need more Star Wars that people don't KNOW they want to see. Not just the tired crap that an exec would think was gold.
I think you guys are saying the same thing. People want to see something they haven't seen before, even in the star wars universe.
I would have been one of those five people. I've always wanted adult Star Wars, and Andor finally gave it to me.
Personally I'm pretty tired of Star wars, every entertainment product doesn't need to belong to a Disney franchise
Same, all the Star Wars slop Disney has churned out has completely washed any lingering magic out of the fabric of the franchise for me. I don't even feel the desire to watch supposedly good Star Wars products like Andor these days.
That's part of it for sure. It's grimdark. Read: boring.
Forever locked in a Jedi vs Sith binary. And it is the highest of heresy to dare imagine anything beyond it.
How is Star Wars even remotely grimdark? That's just a wild criticism.
And the game you're talking about literally has no Jedi or Sith at all, it's entirely about the regular people of the galaxy.
The worst bit is reflecting on how the first movie portrayed it all.
A horrific empire, but a secret mysterious force, not believed in by many, that can help you fight it. Classic warriors using heavy swords in an age of laser rifles.
I don't even really know what the message around the force was in The Last Jedi. I didn't even bother watching Force Awakens.
Disney killed the franchise by releasing slop year after year. Also by letting Ubisoft make a Star Wars game.
Could it be waning interest in the Ubislop formula?
No, it's the gamers who are wrong!
I don’t even hate the Ubisoft formula, but it’s, like, dawg…. Try something new. I go years without being interested in the schlog, then I get really into one. But it’s astounding that they’re still putting out the same game for over a decade now. The trimmings might be a little spruced and fluffed here and there but the core loop is still the same fucking game, again and again and again.
Yeah, I played AC Odyssey and the DLC a while back, and I'm still burnt out on Assassin's Creed about 4 years later.
It just seems designed to sap as much of your time as possible. Like an MMO but without any tangible benefit for them doing so.
Waning interest in Ubisoft. Everything they touch is painfully generic and uninteresting. On top of that, they infect the games with Denuvo malware while charging top dollar. But sure, blame the consumers for your lack of vision, passion, business sense, and technical acumen. See how that pays off, Yves.
A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
B) Then stop making games exclusively based off of third party IPs.
A) And yet, not long after, Andor was massively successful.
Andor was awesome in addition to being successful. It feels weird when those two things coincide.
I thought the game looked ok, but why would I pay $70 for a game that can disappear from my library whenever Ubisoft feels like it? They've demonstrated that they're willing to permanently take games away from paying customers, so I'm not willing to spend more than the cost of a rental on one of their games.
Not waning interest in Ubisoft?
Because, ooh boy, did my interest in Ubisoft wane year after year of overproduced cookie cutter crap. And I'm not expecting a change of phase.
Also, Guillemot, you're talking publicly a lot for someone with (now convicted) sexual harrasser friends you've protected all of your career.
There is waning interest in Star Wars franchise. And Assassin's Creed franchise. And Far Cry Franchise. Hmmm, there seems to be a pattern here...
Couldn’t care less about the games.
Couldn’t care less about the shows.
If a movie comes out, even a terrible one, I’ll be there.
Andor is the best thing the series has ever done, including every movie.
And the animated Clone Wars series is a close second
This last season came out swinging with their wardrobe budget. The first 2 episodes I think we just kept talking about how much we liked outfits
The game looked quite generic to me. As someone who's not deep into Star Wars, the titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure. And the gameplay also looked like they just slapped yet another texture pack onto something I've seen a thousand times already.
So, I don't see why you'd buy this game in particular, unless you do a lot of gaming or a lot of Star Wars. I imagine, they missed out on most sales towards the more casual crowd.
titular character looked more like 70s mom than space adventure
So more like star wars inlaws than outlaws?
It just boggles my mind how execs can learn the wrong lesson 100% of the time. It seems impossible.
Regardless, they keep canning games like 1313 that get fans hyped and give us generic trash instead.
Star wars should be in the public domain by now
If they would've stuck with the old 'gritty' Star Wars game that was supposed to be like GTA style adult oriented Star Wars instead of this stupid shit. It would have been massively successful.
This statement in the same week as Yves installs his son as Co-CEO in charge of their biggest franchises. A man who entered the industry as a CEO of a mobile company and then founded a AI/NFT/crypto game company that is being liquidated now.
Pure nepotism. The Guillemont family is the parasite that is killing Ubisoft.
I love Star Wars and usually have a half decent time with Ubi games. You can usually pick them up for 50% off physical like a month after release.
I have never put down a game quicker than Outlaws. It’s Ubisoft open world map icon slop at its worst. The first 4 hours of story are boring and repetitive. Every mission was “sneak into an Imperial base, oh shit something went wrong! Now escape!” Progression and abilities might as well not be there.
Interest in SW isn’t waning. Companies keep making bad SW content.
There is a waning interest, but it wasn't the singular reason the game flopped. It's because it was a painfully mediocre game at an extremely inflated price.
Mass-produced corporate sludge like Outlaws is exactly why interest is waning. It sucks the soul out of the franchise and makes people lose interest.
All they have to do is get the same guys that did the trailers for KoTOR and they'd see very good things come out of it. They're just trying to milk it every way they can so that they can hold on to something now that they're losing all their OG IPs to public domain.
You mean SWTOR rather than KOTOR?
Idk, I liked Jedi: Survivor even though that one was EA.
