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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 22 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Dr Li, who had worked at MD Anderson Cancer Centre since 2022, had been part of a team developing a vaccine aimed at preventing the spread of breast cancer. Authorities said he resigned from his position on July 1 and then transferred the nearly completed research to a server in China. He now faces potential federal charges for attempting to smuggle protected research materials.

For context, MD Anderson is a nonprofit university that is also one of the largest cancer treatment centers in the world. Also, it's widely considered the best.

"Houston is proudly home to some of the most groundbreaking medical institutions in the world - publicly funded centers that are saving lives each day thanks to their innovative research," District Attorney Sean Terre said in a statement.

This is a research institution, not a pharma company. I don't understand how abandoning a cancer treatment project so you can sell the data in your home country is a "heroic act".

Fuck, maybe Nedry is this guy's hero, I don't know

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

You miss the crux of this despite quoting it yourself

The MDACC is publicly funded. They take money from our taxes.

Why would a “non-profit” be so concerned with keeping medical research data private? Unless they, perhaps, are planning to sell to a for-profit pharmaceutical company. This isn’t my analysis, it’s truth; this is how it works.

The argument you are laying out is the “national competitive edge”—ignoring the harm that this exact strategy has already caused. Here are some real events that represent a recurring pattern:

  • Covid mRNA research was funded in part by public grants; despite this, research was not shared as a public good leaving huge swaths of the Global South without timely access
  • The AIDS crisis was worse and decades longer in Asia and Africa than in the US, even while treatment existed, due to the privatization of medical data and the resulting monopoly abuse of treatment pricing
  • In 2025, similar patterns are playing out with cancer research, like from MDACC here. Except this time, the profiteering is done of the face of actual US citizens; the ones who paid for the research. In the US, novel cancer treatments can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, meaning that significant percentiles of sick taxpayers forgo treatment because the taxpayer research was sold to a private institution.

It is from these examples I feel it’s easy to conclude that publicly funded healthcare research should not be a trade secret. Any attempt to undermine that structure of abusing literally life-saving information for wealth sequestration gets a couple of cool points in my book.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Well the United states defunded cancer research. So why does this matter?

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

more like the United states defended private monopolization of publicly funded cancer research.

it matters to everyone who can’t afford or access treatment worldwide, unfortunately

[–] sucius@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Did he make it publicly available?

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 18 minutes ago

No. Dr Li was fleeing with it to China.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 hour ago

did the US?

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 hours ago

If only we could kick out all non-whites and beat our wives again, this country would be perfect...

  • Republicans, unironically.
[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 58 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Why is any cancer research confidential?

ideally privacy.

there's a lot of personal data in there.

but sadly, the real reason is $$$

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 52 points 14 hours ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 29 points 13 hours ago

Wouldn't want the cure falling into the wrong hands, such as those with cancer. ^/s^

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The research got funded in part on the expectation of return on investment.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 3 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

No it wasn't, this was publicly funded

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 34 minutes ago

Not all of it, only a part of it. MD Anderson Cancer Research Center is and has always been a part of Private Sector Research.

The Office of Research Administration (ORA) is the central office responsible for the support of activities related to research, including internal funding, private industry funding, material transfer agreement and endowed awards. ORA also provides research infrastructure oversight as it relates to offsite freezer storage, research glassware and media facilities.

ORA serves as the authorized signing official for MD Anderson for execution of private industry and material transfer agreements. Through the Office of Sponsored Programs (OSP), ORA supports the application and administration of pre-award federal funding and external funding, including the Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas (CPRIT). ORA also manages several internal endowed awards that recognize the achievements of MD Anderson faculty and researchers. The endowments which support these awards were established through the generosity of philanthropic donors, including several MD Anderson Board of Visitors members.

Last year it generated 12.8 Billion dollars in revenues.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 1 points 2 hours ago

correct. someone here is manipulating votes so can’t wait to see both of us get cratered within 15 minutes.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe -1 points 7 hours ago
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 34 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Ultraracism is when a Chinese national is accused of stealing research after being caught stealing research?

When the project was approximately 70% finished, Li said he had taken up to 90 GB of research. When confronted by hospital officials, Li said he worked to convince them that he had permanently deleted the material while concealing it through a China-based cloud company.

Multiple U.S. entities, including the Department of Defense and the National Institute of Health, have federally funded Li's research. As a condition of such work, documents show Li signed several forms acknowledging it was confidential, with strict rules around storage and sharing.

The forms also stated Li did not have relationships with foreign institutions overlapping his MD Anderson responsibilities and was not receiving outside financial compensation.

However, Li wrote that he retained his employment at a Chinese state-affiliated hospital while working at MD Anderson.

"When I accepted a post-doctoral position at MDACC in 2022, I retained my employment position at the First Affiliated Hospital. The First Affiliated Hospital continued to pay me a reduced salary through 2023 and has held my employment position there pending my return from the United States," he wrote.

Charging documents state Li published research for the Chinese hospital while working at MD Anderson and received grant funding from the Chinese government.

On July 1, Li resigned from his position at MD Anderson. Days later, federal authorities stopped him at Bush Airport, reportedly in possession of the material.

Charging documents state Li told investigators he planned to permanently return to the state-affiliated hospital and use the purportedly stolen material for continued research.

Despite acknowledging that MD Anderson would likely publish the work in the near future, Li reportedly told investigators he felt it was "going to waste"

i think the problem is the focus on him being Chinese. the article frames it as evil asian person.

I'll be honest, this is tricky. because we do need this things reported, and China ignoring IP laws (tbf, fuck those laws as well) needs to be publicly known. and those articles will end up generating a negative view of ethnically asian nationals.

IE, at which point it is reasonable journalism, and when does it become a tool to fabricate consent to remove right from minorities.

[–] rhvg@lemmy.world 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

USA doesn’t need science anyway.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 6 points 11 hours ago

Hey Jenny, Where’s the torrent?

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Steal shit. Get caught stealing shit.

"Rayyyyyyyy-sizzzim!"

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe -5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

you missed the third step which is “a lot of people using the c slur and spouting anti-Asian rhetoric”

it literally says it in the post dude. and those threads are available to the public, i could pull them up as evidence… pls i need us all to keep up

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 19 minutes ago

Racists were spouting that shit before and after this guy stole shit, that doesn't justify dismissal of all sentiment against what this man did.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

Yunhai Li, 35, was originally detained at the George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston in on July 9 after federal agents found medical records on his laptop during an inspection ahead of his flight to China, according to the Harris County District Attorney’s Office.

Now Houston prosecutors have charged the researcher with theft of trade secrets, which is a third-degree felony, and tampering with a government record, a misdemeanor. He could also face federal charges in the future.

Since 2022, the MD Anderson Cancer Center had employed Li where he was working on a vaccine to prevent breast cancer from spreading, the New York Post reported.

Li reportedly was working on a scholar exchange visa from the U.S. Department of State. The National Institutes of Health and the Defense Department was funding the research.

Yeah, Breast cancer sucks, but the Chinese Government is a much bigger existential threat and their spies should be properly made example of.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This example has really bad optics though, unless you're trying to shine a light on medical cartels and their part in the capitalist distopia Americans live in.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

I think the optics are pretty good, here. Hostile nation sends a spy, spy gets caught, spy goes to federal prison.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe -5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

finitebanjo somehow coming in with the worst takes imaginable once again

zero indication that this guy was at all under directive of the CCP

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Feels weird to ratio a tankie, did ya'll lose access to a bunch of burner accounts?

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 0 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I need you to tell me that you understand that cancer is a bigger existential threat than China. You understand that right? You know even one single woman?

How does more people understanding breast cancer threaten existence?!

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

Because the Chinese Government get a big fat paycheck out of it and they use that paycheck to fucking destroy people's lives, put people in labor camps, topple governments, monetize every facet of everyone's lives, and push their own authoritarian regime's agenda.

Breast cancer does not only affect women, but I feel empathy for the Uighur women that China has been sterilizing and putting in slavery.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

It's so wild that in this thread people are both saying the chinese are worse than cancer but also that there's no racism against them. Olympic level of mental gymnastics going on.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 31 minutes ago

Conflating a hostile nation with a race is the true racism, tbh. It would be like saying Taiwan or Hong Kong are all Chinese, that's just wrong and offensive.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 0 points 4 hours ago

I haven’t been on any .world subs for a while, didn’t realize it was this bad here

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t know man, I know like eight people killed by the Chinese government and they weren’t even smokers. According to the WHO, the Chinese government kills 2/3 of a million people every year. No, wait, that isn’t right…

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 hours ago

your sarcasm goes unappreciated :P