There is much more to life than work. We all have families, friends, and a beautiful world to enjoy. We need more time off to enjoy it.

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[–] [S] 89 points 1 year ago (18 children)

The most obvious indication that "representatives" only represent capital... They never talk about 4-day work week. NEVER.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    “We’ll talk about it, it’s on the list. Right after ending daylight savings and rounding up all the brown people”

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    *daylight saving. No “s” at the end.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That's the neat part about language, people change it over time. Most people I know use the "s" at the end.

    Interestingly our society as it is with "standardized" versions of the language seem to slow down natural changes. Every person could call something Xs but the official documents will always just say X.

    I've been to towns where everyone living there calls it a shortened version, but all the legal documents call it by the full name. Including all maps and postal addresses. No one that actually lives there would call the town that. In the past eventually the maps would just change.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Given how much efficiencies we have gained, shouldn't we all be working much, much less? Like maybe one or two days a week, and just a few hours? Where did all the efficiency gains go, other than into the pockets of billionaires?

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  • The thing is, our captains of industry and finance are so fucking hard for infinite growth that we’ll never see a reduction of work hours due to the efficiency, because the efficiency gains are going to be dumped straight into increasing profit.

    The only way we’re getting paid the same to work less hours is if we start hunting those people down.

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    [–] 77 points 1 year ago (27 children)

    Americans certainly do,its fucking shocking how little time you guys get off

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, but it evens out when you look at our healthca... shit.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    The thing is, it's not that Americans don't have time off, it's that we don't have GUARANTEED time off.

    It all depends on who you work for.

    The only guaranteed days, generally, are New Years Day, July 4th, Thanksgiving and Christmas Day. Some employers, but not all, make exceptions for New Years Eve, the day after Thanksgiving, and Christmas eve.

    But again, it depends on who you work for. The banking and financials industry get President's Day, Memorial Day, and Labor Day. "Bank holidays".

    In the end, nothing is guaranteed, employers are allowed to do what they want. Service industry? Fuck you, you're working.

    Technically, today is Labor Day and I could have had it off, but I volunteered to work so I could take tomorrow off for doctor stuff.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Technically, today is Labor Day and I could have had it off, but I volunteered to work so I could take tomorrow off for doctor stuff.

    So here in Italy you get 168 hours of holidays, which you have to schedule in agreement with your employer; then you also have 104 hours of leave, which you can take whenever you need to, and your employer cannot refuse them. At a previous job we also had, as a second level agreement over the national collective contracts, 10 hours of medical leave, which you could use for... doctor stuff.

    edit: you don't HAVE to take your holidays, but most employers FORCE you to, because it's costly for them if you don't, they pay more taxes and may get fined

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah, I had 40 hours of medical and I burned that already with surgery last month. :(

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Surgery is sick leave, that's unlimited, wtf

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Yeah my German friend tells me of his coworker that he hasn’t seen since early this year, out sick. Can’t be fired, and no replacement. Or take a week off and be sick the following week. It’s not without its drawbacks but significantly better than what we have here.

    Here, we tend to be afraid to take sick days.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've been with the same company almost 20 years, and I'm that time have taken so little time off, I have accumulated 75 days. But I just had a child a couple years ago, and this year I took 8 days off throughout the year, since she brought home so many sicknesses. One of those required 3 days off, and I actually got a doctor's note because it was 3 consecutive days and that's the policy.

    It still came up in my review. I basically got a "barely passing" score with "needs to be more reliable".

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Idk how it works in Germany, but here only the first 3 days of sick leave are paid by the employer, after that it's the national welfare agency that pays.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah, considering how much more efficiency we've gained, we should all be working much, much, much less.

    And not just the obscenely rich parasitic class of billionaires like fElon who supposedly do "work" running/ruining companies like xitter and Tesla, etc...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

    In economics, the Jevons paradox(/ˈdʒɛvənz/; sometimes Jevons effect) occurs when technological advancementsmake a resource more efficient to use (thereby reducing the amount needed for a single application); however, as the cost of using the resource drops, if demand is highly price elastic, this results in overall demand increasing, causing total resource consumption to rise.[1][2][3][4] Governments have typically expected efficiency gains to lower resource consumption, rather than anticipating possible increases due to the Jevons paradox.[5]

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We deserve way, way, way more dead politicians and ceos to enjoy our time off.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    At this point, accounting for productivity gains not fairly compensated since the 1970s:

    We should be working half the hours, or be making twice the pay. Otherwise, capital owners should face the alternative of an organized general strike until these simple demands are met.

    If our elected officials refuse to represent us to bring about equity, we must take it for ourselves.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    Too many people are class traitors and useful idiots

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "How dare kids today want more time off. They're just lazy" - Debbie, 68, retired.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    America is a corporate captured state, and its only captured more and more since Citizens United.

    and you think they're going to suddenly turn around and stop using you as indentured servants?

    do you forget what the Republicans think of Europeans? they're libruhl socialist cucks, remember?!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    We're not going to get it while there are enough stupid Americans to get distracted by culture war bullshit presented to us by the ultra-wealthy and political elite.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    When I was a kid, America was often contrasted against Britain in that they were aristocrats and nobles who would run roughshod over their people, but American democracy would lead people to the light.

    Obviously that is a steaming pile of poopaganda, but as things develop I start to realize that it's actually correct, it just only applies to one side, in that the "running roughshod" part has always been the case, and any laws made that supported the rights of workers were in place only as long as it took the capitalistocrats to lobby them back to nothingness, sometimes even worse than before.

    I often think of that when conversations are held about logical, productive changes to the current way work is done.

    Wherever there is talk of a 25-hour week, or a four day week, or any other measure that would improve quality of life while allowing work to get done as well - or sometimes better - this conversation quickly turns to how much less money these people would have to make and how the total number of hours of work per week would have to be delivered anyway.

    It feels like somewhere there is an American capitalist with an uncut ruby the size of a cherry on their pinky and a freshly laundered wig of tight white curls raging at the perception that somehow they are being robbed of their due by this subhuman mass of parasites who are unwilling to meet the expectations of someone who could never meet those expectations themselves, and fully believe that obscene wealth and power are their right.

    Anywho, I believe that the benefit that would come from normalizing 5-hour work days with a minimum wage of $20/hr is vastly underrated, and the resistance to that comes only from people at the absolute pinnacle of wealth, who are petrified that their influence and power might erode even a little bit, because they have not only seen what happens to people whose influence and power erodes, they have destroyed those people for their own gain. /rant

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Today is Labor Day and I volunteered to work so I can take tomorrow off for doctor stuff.

    I probably don't need the WHOLE day, but if I'm going to get poked and stuff, might as well.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Germany has it figured it out. Come on America, copy the good things not the historically appalling.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    No but you see having to do a bullshit job all day almost every day is when life has meaning. How would life have meaning if I wasn't doing a bullshit job all day almost every day?? That's when life has meaning!!!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Okay, I agree, but what is the time off policy for Jacobin?

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