It’s a well researched question, the solution is that an all loving god does not exist.
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Because, without an instrument to incite fear, religion would be useless for the upper class.
The problem of hell is a version of the problem of evil.
It might be worth reading this: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/
If it's too technical, you might try the Wikipedia article, here are a few excerpts:
The logical argument from evil is as follows:
P1. If an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god exists, then evil does not.
P2. There is evil in the world.
C1. Therefore, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god does not exist.
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If God lacks any one of these qualities – omniscience, omnipotence, or omnibenevolence – then the logical problem of evil can be resolved. Process theology and open theism are modern positions that limit God's omnipotence or omniscience (as defined in traditional theology) based on free will in others.
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A version [of the evidential problem of evil] by William L. Rowe:
- There exist instances of intense suffering which an omnipotent, omniscient being could have prevented without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
- An omniscient, wholly good being would prevent the occurrence of any intense suffering it could, unless it could not do so without thereby losing some greater good or permitting some evil equally bad or worse.
- (Therefore) There does not exist an omnipotent, omniscient, wholly good being.
Another by Paul Draper:
- Gratuitous evils exist.
- The hypothesis of indifference, i.e., that if there are supernatural beings they are indifferent to gratuitous evils, is a better explanation for (1) than theism.
- Therefore, evidence prefers that no god, as commonly understood by theists, exists.
It should also be mentioned that most lay people's concept of hell is radically different than the hell as described in various scriptures. I would be wary of any singular depiction of hell even within a religion, as scripture often has contradicting things to say about hell (with multiple plausible interpretations), and contemporary beliefs about hell are more informed by popular culture than scripture anyway.
Again, I direct to Wikipedia for the different depictions of hell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell
Good cannot exist without evil, though. And objective morality cannot exist without a law giver. At best, this is a paradox.
I’ve never understood the notion the good “can’t exist” without evil. I think it’s more likely that good can’t be recognized without evil as a basis for comparison. That doesn’t mean good things can’t happen unless there’s evil out there. I think they would just be seen from a different frame of reference.
Where are you getting this interpretation of heaven and hell from? I’ve never heard anything like it.
I’m a Thelemite, and in our tradition, duality is an illusion. Good and evil, suffering and pleasure, life and death—we see these things as two sides of the same coin, and reaching an enlightened perspective through meditation can show you that they have never been opposites at all, rather a continuum.
What you’ve described is basically a formula of “Heaven is LSD, Hell is heroin” and that doesn’t match up with anything I have experienced, read, or heard before. Without explaining your position more, I don’t really know how to discuss it.
presumably OP is Muslim?
Muslim hell is about feelings?
I am an atheist and this is still pretty easy to answer:
Your parents probably love you unconditionally, too, that doesn't mean they didn't punish you when you misbehaved growing up.
I'm not quite sure where your interpretation of heaven and hell is coming from, but the Christian Bible doesn't describe them in any way that what you said makes sense.
Except the difference is that in this case your parents know literally everything and you are only capable of doing things according to their plan.
So if you misbehaved, your parents already know you would, and also exactly how, long before you were even born, and it'd all be part of their plan.
So... Why are you being punished again?
The idea of punishment is to prevent further misbehaviours, not to throw shit back at the kids. The goal is to teach the proper behaviour.
But hell is supposed to be eternal, and as such there is no evolving from it, making it not a punishment but a torture.
Now if you believe in torturing kids who misbehave just for the sake of making them suffer, that's something else.
The threat of punishments stop people from doing things. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate that fruit, they will surely die. They did it anyway. Hell exists to discourage us from sinning, yet allowing us free will, still. But we still chose to sin. So we're damned.
No parent would ever punish a child for an eternity.
Some would if they could. But then, those are probably not good parents.
Thus far, I do not think I've seen the letter J anywhere in this post so far.
The letter J was invented in the year 1524.
Which means Jesus, Jews, Jerusalem, Jehovah, Justice, Justify, Julius, January, June, and July were all invented either in or after the year 1524.
Until someone tells me how to research those terms before the invention of the letter J, I choose to believe Jesus never existed and was made up in the year 1524.
Edit: While folks are busy downvoting (haha, carry on if you want), nobody has answered my question. How do I research names and words that start with a letter which didn't exist during the time?
We literally have manuscripts of the Bible that are dated over a millenia before that date. The Bible wasn't written in English or Latin. The new testament was written in Koine Greek. Jesus' name is Ἰησοῦς.
Here is the Bible compared to the original text, your requested source of research.
In fact, Jesus name doesn't begin with J in most languages.
In Arabic, it is Isa. In Chinese, it is Yesu. It was originally "Yeshua" (using latin characters to represent the greek and hebrew)
Yeshua travelled east and became Yesu, then the Y was dropped in some places. Esu to Isa as the vowels warped.
It gained an S on the end and traveled west, would have been pronounced Yesus, as J was pronounced equally to Y... until it wasn't in English. Kinda like José in Spanish is pronounced like Yosé. So when it was written down, Jesus became pronounced Jesus.
The answer is well rehearsed: god works in mysterious ways. If we understood how god thinks, we would be god, but alas, we are not.