cross-posted from: https://lemmy.org/post/1872634

So, starting now, Google started mandating full JS for YT, effectively breaking all third-party clients and locking the site to their official client.

This reeks of DRM.

UPDATE: Installing Deno and installing yt-dlp through PyPi fixes yt-dlp but the very idea that Google is mandating JS to lock down YT in an attempt at pseudo-DRM is still crappy.

UPDATE #2: inv.nadeko.net is working again for now.

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[–] 224 points 1 year ago (45 children)

youtube has a monopoly on video content, they can (and will) do what they want

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  • [–] [S] 71 points 1 year ago (43 children)

    Otoh, you also have Odysee and PeerTube to move your own content to.

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  • [–] 160 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Those are fantastic solutions if you don't want anybody to watch your content.

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    [–] 144 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Just ran am update for ytdlp and it's working again.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Beginning very soon, you'll need to have the JavaScript runtime Deno installed to keep YouTube downloads working as normal.

    if only you could read 😔

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  • [–] 103 points 1 year ago (58 children)

    Someone give it to me straight, what is the endgame of this cat and mouse game? I know yt-dlp and invidious have been quite crafty at adapting to these changes, but the scales seem to be tipping.

    It feels like Google will dominate the game into submission the same way it did with AOSP and Chrome. I know I'm being dramatic but it's really starting to feel like we're being cornered into a hopeless situation

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  • [–] 118 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Well the problem for google is that Youtube MUST be accessible to almost any internet user in the world - that's a key reason why it's so ubiquitous.

    The reason this cat and mouse game has lasted as long as it has in the first place is because any method that is currently being quashed has a solution lying in another user agent that youtube can't kill.

    If one day YT sets a "minimum requirements" page on their website to access their content, they've immediately ceded market share to the next upstart. Imagine if they broke viewing for all of the countless cheap (and e-waste) phones, tablets, low end IOT devices, "smart TVs", and so on because they place a requirement that the device cannot meet. Those users will not throw away their hardware - they'll migrate to the first available alternative way to watch content.

    As long as YT caters to the lowest common denominator (Their business model essentially binds them to do so), there will always be a software/hardware environment that these tools can spoof. The moment that stops being the case, people look for other options.

    A similar analogy would be how Microsoft handled the windows 11 requirements - the strict requirements locking out years upon years of hardware has resulted in a substantial amount of users finding workarounds for their machines (like windows 10 IOT LTSC), or to even jump to linux entirely. They abandoned the entry level users, so entry level users are abandoning them.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If one day YT sets a "minimum requirements" page on their website to access their content, they've immediately ceded market share to the next upstart. Imagine if they broke viewing for all of the countless cheap (and e-waste) phones, tablets, low end IOT devices, "smart TVs", and so on because they place a requirement that the device cannot meet. Those users will not throw away their hardware - they'll migrate to the first available alternative way to watch content.

    This all incorrectly assumes that there exists any viable competition to switch to. YouTube ran at a net loss for over a decade to get the reach they currently have, only because Google was one of the very few companies who could feasibly afford to do so. Nobody else with the resources to compete with YouTube is willing to compete with YouTube, because of the massive cost required to get even a fraction of that user base, let alone a critical mass.

    And most of the content people access YouTube for is only found on YouTube, so those hypothetical users aren't going to switch to a new platform, they're going to either just flat-out stop watching or will replace their devices.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Users replacing their devices isn't feasible in many parts of the world, especially outside of the west.

    You are correct that a service similar in scale and scope would not appear out of the aether due to the cost, but to say nothing would make a grab for those underserved users would be foolish.

    Again - the entry level cost conscious users do constitute a large part of Youtube's userbase, so even if they are burdensome to support (due to ad blocking rates, required legacy features to upkeep, and so on), they are a core part of the audience that youtube serves. In an economic environment where people cannot afford to abandon their hardware, there is no chance they will opt out of receiving information and entertainment entirely because of their devices being unsupported by google's sites. They will move to the next service in the chain, either existing or new. To google's investors, that shrinkage in userbase may be untenable.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    They turn it into an app-only platform just like with many PRC-based apps. Literally, some of those platforms doesn't even have a web or desktop mode.

    I tried using Baidu Maps web to look at my old neighborhood (I was born in mainland China) for nostalgia, and the site repeatedly automatically attempts to download the .apk like every tap I make on the site. Wtf lol. The site probably detected the useragent and keeps nagging me about their app.

    I tried browsing a random popular online store to see what it's like for curiosity (天猫), but it asked for a sign in. Like wut? Even Amazon, Ebay, Bestbuy doesn't do that. PRC is actually just late stage cyberpunk capitalism.

    This is gonna be the future for every big-corp stuff. App only, real ID and phone number verification required. Probably even scan your face.

    We need a Meshtastic-based "internet" to actually decouple from big corps have control our infrastructure to have real freedom.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    The end game is to take full control. If Google implements Widevine on YT, and especially Widevine L1, that'll be their Hiroshima bomb for both third-party front-ends and downloaders, and even non-Android, ChromeOS, Apple, or Windows platforms as far as OS goes and non-Chrome or Edge browsers.

    Like, say Google implemented Widevine L1 on YT streams at some point in the future, it would be entirely feasible that you'd be looking at Netflix-style lockdowns to Edge on Win11, or even Chrome on Win11 for that matter, with both SecureBoot and TPM2 in place, if you wanted to watch YT on PC in the future, else you'd be limited to Rokus to watch it.

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    [–] 75 points 1 year ago

    Holy shit I did not realize how complex of a project yt-dlp has to be to do something as simple as download a video... Kudos to the devs

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    This post's title is just completely incorrect and it looks like 700+ people didn't even read the comments or the actual issue for one minute.

    Good job guys!

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    [–] 53 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Google doing everything they can to anger everyone.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I cancelled YT Premium after paying pretty much since Google Music was a thing. The price keeps going up ($14/month now here in the US), and Lite is meh even for the discounted price (e.g. no background play I think?).

    They just keep building the wall higher and higher, while they survive only because creators keep filling it with content. Nobody is watching "YouTube Originals" or their first party content. YouTube exists solely because of third party creators.

    Not only that but I can survive with Brave or Firefox with UBO or whatever. It's not that hard to avoid the ads, even if it's a little inconvenient vs being able to use the app.

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    [–] 47 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Revanced is working just fine.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    For now, it's probably going to break at some point too. Invidious, FreeTube, and Grayjay are all screwed atm, and yt-dlp can be fixed by installing Deno and the PyPi version of that front-end though.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    huh well seems like i should go on a yt-dlp binge on the wcw vault just in case for archival and historical purposes of course

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    [–] 44 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    They're going to keep enshitifying it until they kill it completely. Them blackholes, I mean shareholders, will never have enough money.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You should remember to send all YT videos that you watch to archive.org

    There are browser extensions to do this conveniently

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Newpipe is working for me. For now...

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Lies. Both YT ReVanced and SmartTubeNext have been working perfectly all day today.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Not lies, because Youtube on android uses something called DroidGuard, while on browser and other platforms, uses something called BotGuard. Their implementation differ, but NewPipe uses DroidGuard and programs like FreeTube and Invidious use BotGuard. So that's probably the reason why NewPipe still works fine.

    Don't quote me on that tho. But that's what I know

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This reeks of same shit different day or at least different month. Last time if I recall you had to include a valid cookie with yt-dlp.

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    The alternative clients really should allow alternative sources.

    Move away from relying on the evil that is google.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    New pipe and smart tube both working for me.

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    [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Someone please find the Steins;Gate Wordline, I'm not really enjoying the worldline convergence, everything is turning to shit.

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Honestly surprised YouTube hasn't just required DRM yet

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    [–] 22 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    As someone who is listening to a video on NewPipe as I type this very comment, no they did not

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    [–] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah have been using https://inv.nadeko.net/ as FreeTube broke for me. Unfortunately there seems to be some kind of bandwidth throttling as I'm getting 720p videos only (my internet is fine for 1080p and I was getting 1080p on FreeTube).

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    using smarttube. works fine 4 me

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Grayjay still seems to work.

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