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[–] TAG@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

What sort of half assed reporting came up with this story? This is not a new policy. If I remember right, Nintendo added a forced arbitration clause to their EULA about 10 years ago (I would try to find an exact date, but Google is flooded with articles parroting this story).

It came up with regards to Joy-Con drift in 2017: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/washington/wawdce/2:2020cv01694/292704/21/

Should companies be allowed to force arbitration as a shield against all law suits? Hell fucking no, but their lawyers say they can, so any company with a EULA written by a half decent lawyer includes the wording.

At this point, the only reason anyone would complain that a company includes the clause is rage bait.

There's a good chance that clause won't hold up in court, but proving that would require a lot of time and money.

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I was so happy to go through the Steam EULA and find that it explicitly states that all disputes will be heard in the court local to the customers.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago

That was a recent change, and it's still anti-consumer. It's an attempt to block class action suits.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

The real question is how do we slowly bankrupt nintendo ?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

By doing nothing. They are awful at reading the room, they'll kill themselves.

Best bet is to just ignore them until they go away.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I was hoping to accelerate that by making alternatives to their games as well

[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 13 hours ago

Better yet: how do we fastly bankrupt nintendo?

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Just so ya'll know, EULAs are routinely thrown out of court.

They straight up don't matter, and anything that is extremely long and asks you to 'agree' to it is subject to the same scrutiny.

All of the times we clicked agree without reading actually helped us, because now courts can say "nobody reads that stuff before hitting accept."

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 7 hours ago

The EU has said that EULAs have zero basics in law and we can ignore them.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 4 points 16 hours ago

They're basically there to reduce lawsuits, not prevent them.

[–] Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Anyone still buying Nintendo products at this point isn't paying attention.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

I see Nintendo emulation / mod chipping / console hacking I support it. Toxic company deserves a return in kind for its abuse of its fanbase.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point, I guess they are either ignorant, unethical, or they are just lying to themselves because they can't resist the temptation to play their games.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look I don't fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don't enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.

I can't say I support hating a full group of people because that's not great either. "... except for the Amish but it'll never get back to them" - John Pinette

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In my case, I don't hate them. I respect those devs, people have to put food on their tables somehow, and this way isn't one of the worst... I just believe that by doing so, we are helping to perpetuate vicious corporativism.

[–] yggstyle@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Nintendo isn't just the nestle of companies to users... they are the same or worse to their own.

I've seen people lose teams over errant comments about a novel idea for the IP they would love to see happen, or maybe even be developing as a passion project, purged for the notion that they were anything more than drones.

It's a disgusting work culture taking advantage of bright eyed developers that grew up with fond memories of the brand. I genuinely love some of the IP and worlds made by the developers - but I will never, ever, spend a fucking penny on that company until it is changed.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

I‘ll still buy their controller because you can‘t sue Chinese companies either so what‘s the difference? However I‘ll use it for PC gaming. No way I‘m going back to their ecosystem. Those days are gone.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world -1 points 1 day ago

Anyone still buying anything they can get for free at this point isn't paying attention.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip -5 points 1 day ago

You can’t negotiate with junkies. You need to get them into treatment

[–] A1kmm@lemmy.amxl.com 12 points 20 hours ago

"Except for Claims (i) in which a party is attempting to protect its intellectual property rights (such as its patent, copyright, trademark, trade secret, anti-circumvention, or moral rights, but not including its privacy or publicity rights) ..."

So in other words, the types of matters Nintendo thinks it might have a dispute against users, court and class actions are okay, but for everything that they think users might file against Nintendo, they think arbitration is best.

[–] Nikls94@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am very happy to be living in Austria. We have this law right here https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/NormDokument.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10002462&Artikel=&Paragraf=6&Anlage=&Uebergangsrecht= (And yes, our laws are available for free and up-to-date for everyone)

Section 6(1)(14) of the Austrian Consumer Protection Act states that any contractual provision requiring a consumer to waive their right to assert claims is invalid.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

Wow, is this not the case everywhere? People can't know the laws of their own country without paying? 😵‍💫

[–] notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This shit never holds up in court - you can’t just sign rights away by clicking “accept” on a EULA. This is a scare tactic designed to stop people before they ever try because “well it says i can’t do that in the eula.”

If Nintendo give you a reason to sue them, sue the ever loving shit out of those greedy corporate fucks.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fair.

I may have been thinking about articles I’ve read about the EU and how they don’t tolerate this particular brand of corpo overreach, my apologies and thank you for the correction.

God I wish I lived in a sane country.

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 6 points 23 hours ago

Remember the "Disney can legally kill your wife" memes?

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 2 points 21 hours ago

Jokes on them, no one reads that shit!

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't worry Nintendo, even as someone who grew up on SMB, you've thoroughly convinced me to never do business with you ever again. Not even nostalgia...

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago

Check out Jak & Daxter.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 30 points 1 day ago

Forced arbitration is unconstitutional. Roberts should be ashamed of himself.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Wow Nintendo is really quadrupling down on being absolutely shitty! Love that I have a Steam Deck instead of a Switch because I'm never buying from these assholes again. I loved a ton of their franchises and have spent thousands of dollars on Nintendo consoles and games, but I'm fed up with their greed.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't forget, you can and should still pirate their games.

Torzu is the logical successor to Yuzu. There will undoubtedly be a Switch 2 emulator.

Do not give these corporations your money. They will always use it against us.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago
[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Welp, fuck playing online anymore, just buying a switch 2 to hack it..

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

Don't give these assholes any more money.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why? Emulators baybeeee free.99

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do all emulators support online play though?

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you try and play Nintendo online with a modded switch running pirated ROMs you’re gonna have a bad time.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

So then if you need multiplayer...

Local games only