The absolute shitshow that's been some of the most visible open source projects recently just reinforces my thoughts that one cannot establish trust (and therefore support) with any project leads unless they show their political affiliations upfront. The same way we demand to see a Foss license, we should expect to see what kind of person someone is before we use our community support to elevate them in any position of technical authority.

This reply is worth quoting at length:

With all due respect, I think you profoundly misunderstand the nature of my concern here.

This is not a “I do not like this distribution” kind of argument.

This is a “the people you are sending my money to want me and my friends dead or deported” kind of argument.

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I have no problem with Fedora, Bluefin, Bazzite, Arch Linux, Linux Mint, Linux Foundation, LVFS, Debian, KDE… What I have a problem is with Framework consistently, repeatedly encouraging and now sponsoring individuals that have shown to be absolutely destructive to the open source community.

Claiming that this “increasing the adoption of open source software” really misses the core part of the narrative here, which is that those people have been excluded from open source communities because they were so hateful, so destructive, that their mere presence was more harmful than beneficial.

DHH is a threat to the free software community as a whole at this point. The damage he ended up doing to the Ruby community might end up outweighing entirely his contributions to Rails, which is no small feat.

Vaxry (from hyprland) was banned from freedesktop.org, wrecking havoc in standardizing Wayland protocols that the whole community could have benefited from.

If you believe helping and sponsoring those people helps the open source community, we have quite divergent views on the best way forward and, perhaps, it is best if you concentrate on making hardware and leave the open source community alone.

In any case, thanks for your quick response, @nrp, and thanks for building those awesome products.

Is this the same Framework that develops very promising modular and repairable laptops, one of three companies to do so? If so.. Fuck.

Man fuck that. I dont expect a tech company to be great. But I have a 13” and was excited to see these keep getting better. But that response is just bullshit. There are legitimate business reasons aside from all of the many moral ones not to support bullshit reprehensible creators and by doing so publicly connect your company to them. If they can’t even see the dollar signs there… well… fuck em.

Maybe I’ll start quoting the Hyprland fucks in the framework forums and see if that language flies or gets taken down.

(In retrospect, that AI-pilled Framework Desktop should've been a major red flag they were gonna pull this shit.)

I am still not completely sure why this product should exist in their lineup. Their laptops have always focused on being more repairable/upgradeable than most competing laptops, but the Framework Desktop is actually less repairable/upgradeable than a standard desktop that you can build yourself however you please. Though if you instead compare it to a mini PC form factor like an Intel NUC, it is actually a very attractive alternative. Either way, at the end of the day, no one asked for this device. People enjoy Framework for the things that they are doing to make the laptop industry more consumer-friendly. But apparently the reason that the Framework Desktop was developed is just because the CEO saw AMD's new CPU platform and thought "I want to put that into a Framework product." And after they tried working with AMD to get standard memory modules to work with it, instead of saying, "Oh, there's no way to make it repairable/upgradeable? Never mind, we just won't make a Framework product out of it," they went ahead and did it anyway.

I feel like like I've seen the phrase "hyprland is the most toxic part of Wayland" more than once now and I'm not sure why it's being phrased that way. Hyprland is not part of wayland, right?

What's it with fascists and unintuitive, keyboard-based user interaction? Is this a weird "gatekeeping" thing? Because I remember that in the late 2000's, a lot of Linux forums had "let me google it for you" and pirated copies of Windows XP linked instead of getting an answer to your problem.

Quick update: Nirav is posting through it on Twitter

MNT are still good, right? IIRC, all firmware is open-source with no binary blobs, and they’re a small group of queers in Berlin. (Please tell me they’re not antideutsche tankies or something.)

Oh for fuck's sake

I had a pre-order of the next gen framework 16, but have since cancelled... Came back to see if there had been any updates since the first day for forum discussion, disappointing that they are doubling down.