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[–] 86 points 8 months ago
[–] 66 points 8 months ago (5 children)

About fucking time... But knowing our corrupt overlord fucks, they will just use matrix.org free service and conclude "it's not responsive enough, whelp, we tried..."

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Title is inaccurate. @Beep@lemmus.org please use the actual title. They are not replacing Teams.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (24 children)

    I've always heard matrix was so so at best. So this seems unwise.

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  • [–] 57 points 8 months ago (22 children)

    Matrix is good. Element is not. It is a terrible application filled with bugs that ends up limiting the quality of other client applications.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    I do think the EU should start with a more basic app like FluffyChat in testing but rebranded, then try to make their own app over the Matrix protocol that fits their specific communications needs and share that development publicly with open source.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Didn't XMPP already solve these issues a long time ago?

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    The biggest problem with XMPP is what various servers and clients implement is kind of all over the place. For instance, most clients support an older version of OMEMO, but some clients support newer versions, and the different versions are incompatible.

    The other issue is some platforms (iOS in particular) have pretty shitty XMPP apps filled with bugs.

    I still generally like XMPP more than Matrix since ATM Matrix clients are also filled with bugs/laggy, Synapse (the main server implementation) is very resource heavy, and message syncing is kind of shit if the client doesn't implement sliding sync (like FluffyChat). I personally think the UI for both XMPP and Matrix clients generally kind of suck, which isn't great for convincing non-techy people to use them.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I personally think the UI for both XMPP and Matrix clients generally kind of suck, which isn't great for convincing non-techy people to use them.

    Ding ding ding. Make a Discord/Slack clone that does screensharing and drag/drop file sharing and I won't care if it uses XMPP or Matrix

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    So Rocket.Chat (which TIL can federate to Matrix)?

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, matrix is similar. So many official features aren't supported by various clients, and then there are non official features that the clients do support, that aren't supported by the official clients.

    But matrix or XMPP, that problem is easily enough avoided at the "government rollout" level by standardising on a particular client and server combination

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Matrix is fragmented too, but it's generally less fragmented in my experience (if you use a relatively well developed client). Part of this is because most people just use Synapse for their server. With XMPP, server implementations support random combinations of XEPs, and specific servers often are missing random XEPs because they're not enabled by default and so on (thinking about ejabberd for instance here, the default config probably isn't what most people want). I also routinely have random compatibility problems between clients pop up with XMPP. As a basic example, retracting messages is very haphazard.

    Anyway, yeah, if they standardize on server and client setup for all govt instances, it'd be fine either way probably. The clients may be somewhat janky, but they can probably fix those issues more easily when they're only focused on one client (although unless it's like FluffyChat and cross-platform, they may need to standardize multiple clients) and server.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I dont know how they are going to get people in the goo pods but I wish them luck.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    When do i get the jack in the back of my head, I want to get inserted like now.....

    ohh not The Matrix.... damn

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  • hope estonia does get to matrix after Skype was killed.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    they should try use Nextcloud Talk

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    Why not xmpp with ejabberd or prosody and only one client for the workers ?

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Sweet! Element already has some work put into for secure gov use, plus federation is the reality at scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    They should just use WhatsApp.

    /s obvs

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Matrix Is NOT ready for this bro

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I tried installing matrix once on a VM at work. A lot of work to get it running and it refused to work for some reason. I guess there are better alternatives, something made with xmpp or even rocketchat

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago

    Wow, they must have some really smart people making these suggestions.

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