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[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

I completely agree that explosives should not be used against protestors.

Still, I fail to see how a stun grenade can blow your hand off if it's not in your hand.

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[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

That's because you think a stun grenade's only job is that it stuns, just like that.

It's a grenade. It explodes. That's how it can blow off a hand if it hits one.

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[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone -5 points 1 day ago* (4 children)

if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's a kid. Do you really expect a kid to know what to do when having grenades thrown at them?

They are already fucking smarter than most of the population that just sits on their assss waiting for the world to collapse, but on top of that you expect them to have a proper rational immediate reaction when faced with military equipment?

Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops' version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie (we're talking about french cops, who rape a guy that they arrested in their car with their baton, enough to cause internal damage, and their version is that he fell on it. And yes, nothing happened to the cops), so it's extremely moronic to even debate about the rightfulness of grabbing a grenade in this situation, since it just plays in the narrative of the fascists that try to shut down the protests by all means.

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[–] untropvertimide@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 13 hours ago

Yup, agreed, same French cops that:

Count their self-inflicted injuries as injuries inflicted by their "suspect" (target).
Don't follow most laws and rules about weapon usage, about arrest procedure, about state neutrality, about non-discrimination, rape, etc
Cover their violent colleagues up.
Threaten a young driver (of color, of course) with "I will blow your head off", while pointing their gun directly to the target's head. Then, when the target drives away to flee, the cop successfully shoots to kill. The whole police institution defend the murderer citing a recent law that in effect extend the legitimate cases for the use of (lethal) force by police to "suspect" that would "probably" harm others while fleeing. (preventive defensive violence... reminds me of something). Some people even donated moreqthan a million euros to said cop to pay for his legal proceedings. The murder was filmed, and the video shared day one, disproving the police lies about the murder from the start.
Confiscate protests signs that don't please them enough.
Consider police violence and abuses as insignificant, always justified and proportionnate, then treat graffitis and stickers from protesters as violent crimes.
Sometimes beat up random people carrying palestinian flags in protests.
Throw projectiles (I guess grenades, from the impact sound) from behind the protester lines, probably to trigger their colleagues charge. (And deny doing so when they're caught red-handed by an elected official.)
Are fully armored in protests, get collectively knocked down with some serious injuries by their weapon mishandling, but still use these weapons on civilians in plain clothes, directly aiming at them.
etc

Our (french) police intitutions are authoritarian, lethally violent, lying. Our ministers too, since they publicly defend and encourage these intitutions crimes.

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[–] Slashme@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

Also, I repeat: the idea that the kid grabbed the grenade is the cops’ version, which can safely be assumed to be a lie

I mean yes, the cops lie a lot, but if the kid didn't have the grenade in his hand, it seems implausible for it to have blown his hand off.

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Students around testified that the grenade landed in his hand. Also, it doesn't matter whether he grabbed it or not.

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[–] captcha@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz -1 points 1 day ago (1 child)

I'm not sure they are saying it's fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop

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[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

The same police already sued the government a few days ago, accusing it of endangering them by giving them confusing orders against the terrifying hordes of evil, violent, uncontrollable kids.

So yeah, if a cop got injured like that they would already be taking out the tanks in the street at this point.

And then they get shocked when things get more violent, yet they're the ones setting the tone.