▲ 1127 ▼ If God had wanted us to have nearly unlimited clean energy, He would have placed a fusion reactor into the sky. (europe.pub) submitted 8 months ago by mxeff@feddit.org to c/science_memes@mander.xyz 181 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 24 points 8 months ago (18 children) Harrumph permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 18 points 8 months ago (2 children) All that yet microwaves still leave my burrito frozen in the center. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 child) Gotta lower the power setting and increase the cook time. One minute at 100%? No! One and a half minutes at 80%! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago also, offset from the center of the microwave on the spinny plate. centered will only get you a portion of the waveform, moving the food around through a larger cross-section of the waveform = more thoroughly cooked stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] chunes@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (14 children) Still don't understand how this could possibly generate energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (12 children) the power plant is in space and beams energy to the dish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (9 children) Right, but like... whatever you're doing in space is going to be more cost effective to do on earth. Not to mention the insane amount of energy lost to the atmosphere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] saturn57@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) Energy loss for wireless energy transmission is actually surprisingly low. Here is an example of 80% efficiency over 1 kilometer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1123672 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) Unless you really need to optimise for land use. An arbitrarily large solar array in space could transmit to a fairly small collector in the surface. As for losing power to atmospheric attenuation, high frequency microwaves will pass right through most everything that would scatter visible light. Clouds, dust, etc wouldn't really impede it. I won't say it's not a silly idea, because it is. It's fun to think about though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago Big solar panel permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago yeah but imagine you can put the plant and all the pollution on an asteroid or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) musk wants datacenters in space. which makes sense, 24/7 sunlight and no transmission of power is grand; but I do wonder about the shielding and moving the data back and forth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) That is the wrong sort of receiving antenna for more than milliwatts of energy beamed from space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago It basically doesn't work out. Theoretically you could have 2500 square meters of solar arrays above the weather beaming the power down to a dish with only a 500 square meter footprint. But you'd still have to deal with weather with some kind of a storage solution. And 2500 square meters of area in space seems more expensive to claim than just 500 square meters of area on land, in pretty much any scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 18 points 8 months ago (2 children) All that yet microwaves still leave my burrito frozen in the center. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 child) Gotta lower the power setting and increase the cook time. One minute at 100%? No! One and a half minutes at 80%! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago also, offset from the center of the microwave on the spinny plate. centered will only get you a portion of the waveform, moving the food around through a larger cross-section of the waveform = more thoroughly cooked stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago (1 child) Gotta lower the power setting and increase the cook time. One minute at 100%? No! One and a half minutes at 80%! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago also, offset from the center of the microwave on the spinny plate. centered will only get you a portion of the waveform, moving the food around through a larger cross-section of the waveform = more thoroughly cooked stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago also, offset from the center of the microwave on the spinny plate. centered will only get you a portion of the waveform, moving the food around through a larger cross-section of the waveform = more thoroughly cooked stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chunes@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (14 children) Still don't understand how this could possibly generate energy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (12 children) the power plant is in space and beams energy to the dish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (9 children) Right, but like... whatever you're doing in space is going to be more cost effective to do on earth. Not to mention the insane amount of energy lost to the atmosphere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] saturn57@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) Energy loss for wireless energy transmission is actually surprisingly low. Here is an example of 80% efficiency over 1 kilometer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1123672 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) Unless you really need to optimise for land use. An arbitrarily large solar array in space could transmit to a fairly small collector in the surface. As for losing power to atmospheric attenuation, high frequency microwaves will pass right through most everything that would scatter visible light. Clouds, dust, etc wouldn't really impede it. I won't say it's not a silly idea, because it is. It's fun to think about though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago Big solar panel permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago yeah but imagine you can put the plant and all the pollution on an asteroid or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) musk wants datacenters in space. which makes sense, 24/7 sunlight and no transmission of power is grand; but I do wonder about the shielding and moving the data back and forth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) That is the wrong sort of receiving antenna for more than milliwatts of energy beamed from space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago It basically doesn't work out. Theoretically you could have 2500 square meters of solar arrays above the weather beaming the power down to a dish with only a 500 square meter footprint. But you'd still have to deal with weather with some kind of a storage solution. And 2500 square meters of area in space seems more expensive to claim than just 500 square meters of area on land, in pretty much any scenario. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (12 children) the power plant is in space and beams energy to the dish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (9 children) Right, but like... whatever you're doing in space is going to be more cost effective to do on earth. Not to mention the insane amount of energy lost to the atmosphere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] saturn57@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) Energy loss for wireless energy transmission is actually surprisingly low. Here is an example of 80% efficiency over 1 kilometer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1123672 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) Unless you really need to optimise for land use. An arbitrarily large solar array in space could transmit to a fairly small collector in the surface. As for losing power to atmospheric attenuation, high frequency microwaves will pass right through most everything that would scatter visible light. Clouds, dust, etc wouldn't really impede it. I won't say it's not a silly idea, because it is. It's fun to think about though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago Big solar panel permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago yeah but imagine you can put the plant and all the pollution on an asteroid or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) musk wants datacenters in space. which makes sense, 24/7 sunlight and no transmission of power is grand; but I do wonder about the shielding and moving the data back and forth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) That is the wrong sort of receiving antenna for more than milliwatts of energy beamed from space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chunes@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (9 children) Right, but like... whatever you're doing in space is going to be more cost effective to do on earth. Not to mention the insane amount of energy lost to the atmosphere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] saturn57@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) Energy loss for wireless energy transmission is actually surprisingly low. Here is an example of 80% efficiency over 1 kilometer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1123672 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent [–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) Unless you really need to optimise for land use. An arbitrarily large solar array in space could transmit to a fairly small collector in the surface. As for losing power to atmospheric attenuation, high frequency microwaves will pass right through most everything that would scatter visible light. Clouds, dust, etc wouldn't really impede it. I won't say it's not a silly idea, because it is. It's fun to think about though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago Big solar panel permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago yeah but imagine you can put the plant and all the pollution on an asteroid or something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) musk wants datacenters in space. which makes sense, 24/7 sunlight and no transmission of power is grand; but I do wonder about the shielding and moving the data back and forth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saturn57@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child) Energy loss for wireless energy transmission is actually surprisingly low. Here is an example of 80% efficiency over 1 kilometer: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1123672 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago Energy loss for wireless energy transition is actually surprisingly low. ... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (1 child) Unless you really need to optimise for land use. An arbitrarily large solar array in space could transmit to a fairly small collector in the surface. As for losing power to atmospheric attenuation, high frequency microwaves will pass right through most everything that would scatter visible light. Clouds, dust, etc wouldn't really impede it. I won't say it's not a silly idea, because it is. It's fun to think about though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago You could also have a constellation of satellites with area greater than the surface of the earth. It's not that silly of an idea. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago yeah but imagine you can put the plant and all the pollution on an asteroid or something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago (2 children) musk wants datacenters in space. which makes sense, 24/7 sunlight and no transmission of power is grand; but I do wonder about the shielding and moving the data back and forth. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 3 points 8 months ago (1 child) It's nonsense, for cooling reasons alone permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago yeah had a whole convo with a neighbor about how much cooling tech the ISS depends on. at least it won't need separate water/ammonia loop setup like the ISS. radiators are pretty figured out. I just can't see how they make it economical with all the launch and space logistics - and don't get me wrong spacex can deliver to orbit - but can they make it profitable? also, where's the grunt for this supposed AI cloud gonna come from? what chips can survive for 1000s of hours of compute in that environment? and from what he's said (24/7 sunlight) are they thinking lagrange points or what? also xmit/receive of massive amounts of data would need to be crucial to making it work and we got none of that infrastructure.... all leads me to think his ketamine is showing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child) That is the wrong sort of receiving antenna for more than milliwatts of energy beamed from space permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 8 months ago It basically doesn't work out. Theoretically you could have 2500 square meters of solar arrays above the weather beaming the power down to a dish with only a 500 square meter footprint. But you'd still have to deal with weather with some kind of a storage solution. And 2500 square meters of area in space seems more expensive to claim than just 500 square meters of area on land, in pretty much any scenario. permalink fedilink source parent