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[–] 179 points 6 months ago (42 children)

Honestly the damage is done. Manjaro has been an instant no from me dog for a long time. The name carries a negative connotation. Trust has eroded.

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  • [+] -41 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Keep the dumbass reddit style "jokes" to reddit. Either answer the question or stfu. You're not funny and your lame attempt at a "joke" is just annoying.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I don't see anything in the rules that says you can't make a joke in the comments. The only thing that comes close is rule 7, and even that allows comments. Maybe you should go back to reddit?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    If you're bringing the rules into this conversation, you're misunderstanding the conversation

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    from what i undertand, everyone else is making jokes and enjoying them while one person has to be a debbie downer

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Hah, sure, I'll cop to that, you're the downer for bringing up the rules lol

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    bro, i was saying that the rules allow jokes. jfc. downer was the person saying to take the jokes back to reddit.

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  • [–] 96 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    Plenty of things, but the most obvious being the two separate instances they had issues with renewing their certs.

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  • [–] 73 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    It's more than that. Broken updates. Failed hardware ventures. The project has been shambling along for a long time.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I liked Manjaro, they had a nice theme, it was in the direction of Arch, but still had some guardrails for the noobish.

    Then my system kept breaking, then they screwed up their certs. If they want to fork it and go forward with a different focus/ideology, that's fine by me.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Could you please explain why not renewing their certs is such a serious betrayal? Like, if they fixed it, isn't that okay? And even if it happened again, and they fixed it again, isn't it human to err? Or why is it such a harsh offense?

    Serious question, I don't know the consequences of not renewing these certs. 😊

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    It's the tls certificate that proves your website is legit. Without which, you can potentially be a malicious actor that can pose as the website, and when you download the iso, you could unknowingly download something malicious. It's pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given), so the fact that it happened twice was very impressively bad.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's pretty hard to forget certificate renewal (most of the time there are plenty of reminders sent and warnings given)

    Oh boy. Seems to be the opposite in real life. Especially when it comes to managing stored cert of businesses partners. It has gotten somewhat better now of course, but three years ago most of my company's sev1 production issues were due to lapsing or unscheduled cert changes.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    it's the main way for software to verify the identity of a source. without it you let nefarious actors do something like hijack a DNS server and impersonate your servers to your users, which is a pretty big problem if you're running a software distribution network! it is literally a breach of trust and massive security vulnerability. and it probably broke a ton of shit when software that uses the certificate found an expired one and suddenly (and correctly) refused to work.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    People are very harsh with Manjaro. There's more than just a list of objective facts unfortunately. I suppose there were some bruised egos at some point.

    The certs issue wasn't a big deal, it didn't change anything for me as a user. It just paints a bad image.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    As a former Manjaro user, it has some issues. It has weird bugs that aren't present in any other Arch-based distro. Pamac ddosing the AUR is pretty bad as well. I'm thankful I used it as long as I did though. It got me hooked on Arch based distros. Everything else feels antiquated now. Actually, Void Linux is kinda cool

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Its not just the fact that certs expired, it's them advising people to bypass warnings or change their system time and how many times they've had the issue.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Failing to renew TLS certificates on time multiple times is enough to never touch it again, but there's also been a lot of other problems with Manjaro.

    When I used Manjaro, it never made it more than 6 weeks before something would catastrophically break and I'd have to roll back using snapshots.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    The manifesto mentions this and that tooling had been made by volunteers but leadership ignored or rejected it (wasn't clear which). So it seems that they are firing their leadership for the same reasons you want to stay away, which is a good sign, at least. Like promising that they are willing to mutiny to stop the enshitification.

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