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[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 126 points 2 months ago (36 children) Mostly of the weight loss would be water. No carbs plus alcohol and coffee is just diuretics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago (25 children) Plus anything that was in your intestines / bowels. There's no fibre in there at all. I used to have to "make weight" and water and empty intestines are the short version of how it's done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (10 children) Oh hey that's the main way men get eating disorders! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (9 children) Is that true? It wouldn't surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me). 99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Unironically yeah. There's more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) So if we add some weetabix to the morning meal it’s basically a perfect diet! I’ll start experimenting tomorrow, I’ve already ordered 30 bottles of wine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Protip: Use white wine instead of milk for your cereal. Turbo charge your morning shit by blending it together with four shots of espresso and a whole cigarette! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Top advice! permalink fedilink source parent [+] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app -13 points 2 months ago (10 children) If you're only eating protein you don't need fiber. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (7 children) And your brain won't work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like "if you're only eating protein you don't need fibre" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (6 children) Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn't have to be dietary carbs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh god your poor anal tract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago Why? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 child) If you lose more than water weight in 3 days, it's probably due to traumatic illness or amputation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Or a change in plans for space flight! permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (5 children) The avg person expending 2000 Calories a day means an ~850 Calorie deficit. 2550 deficit over the course of 3days. That allows about 3lbs of muscle (700C) loss or almost 1lb of fat (3000-3500C)loss. Up the calories expended via being active and you could reach the 5lb goal. With such severe caloric deficit nost of the weight loss would be muscle unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) Isn't there enough protein in that diet to maintain the muscle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight. There's a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn't affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat. Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there's a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent [–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) No carbs An entire bottle of white wine a day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] new_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Google results are showing to me that are at most 30g in a bottle of red dry wine. That's like a potato or something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago (25 children) Plus anything that was in your intestines / bowels. There's no fibre in there at all. I used to have to "make weight" and water and empty intestines are the short version of how it's done. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (10 children) Oh hey that's the main way men get eating disorders! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (9 children) Is that true? It wouldn't surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me). 99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Unironically yeah. There's more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) So if we add some weetabix to the morning meal it’s basically a perfect diet! I’ll start experimenting tomorrow, I’ve already ordered 30 bottles of wine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Protip: Use white wine instead of milk for your cereal. Turbo charge your morning shit by blending it together with four shots of espresso and a whole cigarette! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Top advice! permalink fedilink source parent [+] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app -13 points 2 months ago (10 children) If you're only eating protein you don't need fiber. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (7 children) And your brain won't work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like "if you're only eating protein you don't need fibre" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (6 children) Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn't have to be dietary carbs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh god your poor anal tract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago Why? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago (10 children) Oh hey that's the main way men get eating disorders! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (9 children) Is that true? It wouldn't surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me). 99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Unironically yeah. There's more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago (9 children) Is that true? It wouldn't surprise me. When I was competing in that weight category sport I had a very skewed view of what I considered overweight (for me). 99% of the population would have considered me lean as fuck when I thought otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Unironically yeah. There's more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) I was going to say, sounds like the shit the wrestlers used to do back in high school. Always seemed wildly unhealthy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (6 children) Imo weight class should be determined by an average of a bunch of weigh-ins for weeks or months before an event. Then, on the day of the event, allow some tolerance over the max weight but only if the average stays under. If the average creeps up into the tolerance zone, then they go up a weight class. Make the weight classes based on healthy habits rather than basically cheating in an unhealthy way to make weight a day before, then bulking back up to whatever weight for the actual fight. Not that I have any stake in any of that, so my say isn't really relevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (4 children) There's no good solution IMO. There's a way to game everything. Ultimately it boils down to: You don't want hefty people fighting little people. A 24 hour weigh in causes a small number of folks to go to extremes and a weigh in just before fighting could have someone fighting dehydrated. Nearly everyone runs a 6 or 8 week run up to a fight where they're constantly losing weight. For me it was pure numbers. e.g. I'm 7KG over fighting weight with 6 weeks to go. It's a 1000 calorie a day deficit with maintenance days here and there and shift 2 - 2.5 by making weight. You've 24 hours to rehydrate and it's enough IMO. The trouble comes when you've lads trying to shift 5KG in 48 hours. It causes death. Maybe a weigh in 3 days out then another with 24 hours to go would work. Tough nut to crack though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Though trying to fight dehydrated is a much bigger mistake than dehydrating yourself for a weigh in and photo op, which might discourage some from doing it if they are going to lose anyways. But there will absolutely be some that will try anyways. I'd say they could watch for those and ban them from whatever league it is, though I have a feeling it's more likely to go in the hunger games/squid games direction than safer with the current political climate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Yeah totally agree on everything there. We would step off the scales and immediately start rehydrating. I personally wouldn't eat until my piss was basically clear and at that stage you haven't had a good meal in two days at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) There's no good solution IMO How about not damaging children's bodies for meaningless high school sports? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago* Three things: I did this as an adult I'm not fucking American In no way do I think kids should be doing that and wouldn't let my kids I was just relating my experience with making weight so jog on pal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago Sounds conplicated, how about we just try more runnin' in a trash bag. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) Unironically yeah. There's more ways for a girl to pick up a restrictive eating disorder (family pressure, wider social pressure, more sports that care about weight like gymnastics and dance) but men can absolutely still get one and this is the most common way. And I really should have specified restrictive because binge eating disorder is pretty common in both sexes. Although orthorexia is also kinda coming into vogue for both sexes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children) So if we add some weetabix to the morning meal it’s basically a perfect diet! I’ll start experimenting tomorrow, I’ve already ordered 30 bottles of wine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Protip: Use white wine instead of milk for your cereal. Turbo charge your morning shit by blending it together with four shots of espresso and a whole cigarette! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Top advice! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) Protip: Use white wine instead of milk for your cereal. Turbo charge your morning shit by blending it together with four shots of espresso and a whole cigarette! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] fox2263@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago Top advice! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app -13 points 2 months ago (10 children) If you're only eating protein you don't need fiber. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (7 children) And your brain won't work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like "if you're only eating protein you don't need fibre" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (6 children) Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn't have to be dietary carbs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent [–] athatet@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh god your poor anal tract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago Why? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (7 children) And your brain won't work because it requires at least 110 grams of carbs to function normally. Then you might start saying things like "if you're only eating protein you don't need fibre" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (6 children) Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn't have to be dietary carbs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (6 children) Gluconeogenesis is a thing. So while correct, it doesn't have to be dietary carbs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (5 children) Fair enough, that being said, eating exclusively protein is still likely to result in death from nutrient deficiency, kidney overload, protein poisoning, the list goes on. But thats not as funny. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Though a fruit only diet, that's funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) All those negatives notwithstanding, you still don't need fiber in your diet if you're only eating protein. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) I mean if you just eat steak and eggs you're not going to shit. As I said earlier it was a tactic we used for making weight. Not shitting is a great way to get colon cancer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) You've obviously never done anything like this and have no idea what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] khannie@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago Wrong and wrong permalink fedilink source parent
[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (1 child) Oh god your poor anal tract. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bookmeat@fedinsfw.app 1 point 2 months ago Why? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 child) If you lose more than water weight in 3 days, it's probably due to traumatic illness or amputation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Or a change in plans for space flight! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zirconium@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago Or a change in plans for space flight! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (5 children) The avg person expending 2000 Calories a day means an ~850 Calorie deficit. 2550 deficit over the course of 3days. That allows about 3lbs of muscle (700C) loss or almost 1lb of fat (3000-3500C)loss. Up the calories expended via being active and you could reach the 5lb goal. With such severe caloric deficit nost of the weight loss would be muscle unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) Isn't there enough protein in that diet to maintain the muscle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight. There's a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn't affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat. Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there's a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (4 children) Isn't there enough protein in that diet to maintain the muscle? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight. There's a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn't affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat. Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there's a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (3 children) If caloric intake was higher sure. Muscle breakdown is easier than fat so is a prime target in starvation diets to get energy. Results in long-lasting problems for people who have experienced famine or eating disorders. More moderate caloric deficits are healthier for a reason but obviously takes longer to lose weight. There's a lot of variability in nutrition that can impact things but generally protein in the diet helps maintain and grow muscle but doesn't affect that when your body is starving for energy muscle tends to go more than fat. Nutritional fads including the current lots of protein one are likely bunk or only for certain lifestyles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there's a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (2 children) I'm not familiar with this so am interested; presumably there's a calorie deficit where more fat is consumed than muscle? Where does it switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent [–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 2 points 2 months ago Resistance training. When on a calorie deficit while doing weight training, you will lose less muscle. You'll still lose some, but your body will try to rebuild the muscle using proteins and stored nutrients. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago It is complex, precise dietary requirements vary person to person (even mouse to mouse but less for lab strains). As a generality women have lower caloric requirements, men higher. Age, height, weight, activity level, genetics, etc all have impacts. The timeline of caloric restriction matters. Muscle breakdown occurs first because muscles store glycogen which is a much faster energy source than fat. Fat breakdown can go on for longer as it has a higher density of energy. Simple short-term reduction in calories thus results in muscle before fat. Higher protein intake mitigates or prevents muscle loss in longer-term diets compared to lower protein intake as the muscle cells are used to process/use the protein. Exercise is the best at keeping or growing muscle as it turns them from energy providers to energy users. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) No carbs An entire bottle of white wine a day permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] new_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Google results are showing to me that are at most 30g in a bottle of red dry wine. That's like a potato or something permalink fedilink source parent
[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Google results are showing to me that are at most 30g in a bottle of red dry wine. That's like a potato or something permalink fedilink source parent