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[–] 17 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Take a stand, pick a side or fuck right off.

I dunno, everyone says this of the issues about which they care but other ones are too large etc.

For example, do you feel the same way about say, sweatshop clothes? In that we should take a stand,pick a stand or fuck off?

Personally, I feel the 12 year olds making the most of the clothes I see when I walk down the street is much more important than most national issues in my country AND is something where individual action really matters but, it's also an issue that requires actual sacrifice and work. Much easier to be angry at people online over politics...

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I think there's a difference between "I affirmatively do not care" and "there's no purely way to be ethical, and that horror has fallen under my personal bar for attention right now"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It's also significant if you go out of your way to say you're not making a decision on the issue. That, in and of itself, is often a very significant decision to make.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    If you're not taking sides, you're siding with whoever is the oppressor.

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  • I used to think I could be neutral. Then someone told me that neutral can easily be manipulated. I settled after a year of educating myself. It's impossible to be completely unbiased. People who say they don't care, actually care too much, they whine and grumble about everything and wonder why it gets bad--they don't do anything about the issues that affect them. It takes a really big leap to get out of the undecided 'pit'.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    I think it's pretty clear that if you "have no opinion" in sweatshops, you've chosen the far right. Every normal person is against them.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Every normal person is against them.

    Against them but also wearing their products, which is even worse. What's the point of being "against" something then? It's like saying you're "against" trump but sitting out the elections.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (7 children)

    You know that "but yet, you participate in society. curious." Meme?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (6 children)

    You uhh, don't think you can participate in society using fewer sweatshop endorsed clothes? Like thrift stores don't exist or?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (5 children)

    Have you heard this term "fast fashion" being used more in recent years? That's all about that

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago (4 children)

    You don't know that you're allowed to sit out immoral trends, like fast fashion? Or is being trendy more important than what's right?

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (3 children)

    What?

    The term is not used as a positive thing to be aspired to, but as a negative thing to avoid. At least in any conversation I have observed. It being mentioned more shows that awareness is increasing and people are making an effort.

    But why did this need to be explained to YOU? You displayed yourself as a warrior for this cause, but then are completely oblivious to one of its main developments of the recent years? If you wanna fight for such a cause, you should probably study it first.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (2 children)

    What on Earth? Is your position actually "because people use the term fast fashion" it means people very much have an opinion they simply refuse to act on?"

    I'm not in any way sure what point you're trying to make.

    It's like saying that despite hosting a pig roast most years and BBQ meat all the time, I actually support vegetarianism because sometimes I note that boy, there's a lot of cruelty in the production of my food.

    Having an opinion and not acting on it doesn't count for anything.

    Edit: At least in the comic, the person is honest. Your approach seems to be "well, as long as I occasionally complain, I've done my duty!" I am sure the children who occasionally burn to death making your clothes take great comfort as they asphyxiate because you sometimes feel bad. Not bad enough to change your habits or anything but come on, what are we to do? Wear out of date clothes? UGH!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

    You're good with accusing, but not good with understanding. I never said I buy fast fashion, and people avoiding raising awareness about and then avoiding fast fashion SHOULD be in line with your goals if you're not a hypocrite.

    But I more and more get the feeling that you're one of those people only cosplaying a cause to make themselves look good.

    Go ahead, make another baseless accusation, cosplayer.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    Ha, forgot about this until I realize I'd put off my ethical warm sock problem to this fall. (If you do buy ethical, you know how frustrating the very basics are.)

    It's the internet, anyone can lie but I've been living an increasingly ethical life for about a quarter century after reading No Logo as an angsty teen.

    I think our big disagreement here may be what we consider "doing something." I personally think "raising awareness" is just an excuse to not actually do any of the work or make any of the sacrifices a cause requires. Similarly, for many it seems "doing politics" isn't actually the doorknocking, phone banking, signature getting etc but instead is mostly being insufferable online (which frankly, feels pretty counterproductive but that's a whole different kettle of fish) and maybe loudly boycotting a marginal brand/comedian/etc whom they didn't really like in the first place. (Boycotts of stuff we actually like... Well, I remember when all the radio stations and bars said they would never play Michael Jackson again. That didn't last.)

    But hey, maybe you aren't buying from some of the worst places, so that's nice, though your original statements didn't at all make that clear, and in fact the first "but you participate in society" reallyade it seem like you don't see a way to participate in society while mostly avoiding sweatshops... Anyway, keep boycotting fast fashion, even if fast fashion has mostly been couched in environmental terms because that's a cause spoiled first worlders know affects us....

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