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[–] IndignantIguana@piefed.social 47 points 5 days ago (31 children)

So now we're complaining about the enshittification of everything driven by the need to maximize profit in a capitalist system and blaming it on our grandparents? More divisive intergenerational warfare bullshit. If you want to find who to blame for this shit look at the capitalists demanding more and more profit from airlines, manufacturers, literally every part of the economy. It always comes down to class war.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 days ago (1 child)

Yep, the 1% laugh their asses off about us fighting between ourselves.

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[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Exactly, the 1% love it when its race fighting or blaming boomers or anybody else but them. Sad to see as they keep getting away with it.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Is this really enshittification?

Prior to the deregulation of the airlines under Carter, the federal government fixed all domestic airfares. Airlines could not compete against each other on price and could only compete on perks. Flying was insanely expensive. NY to LA was $820 in today's dollars and you couldn't just shop around airlines for a better price, while you can get the same flight for less than $240 now.

It's not like flying got shittier while also getting more expensive. Flying is cheaper than it ever has been. The perks went down, sure. But so did the price. By a LOT.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (3 children)

Not really disagreeing with you, but I was curious if that $240 includes all the crazy fees they tack on now.

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[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah that is all in, fare, fees, and taxes. Flying is dirt cheap lol.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 3 points 5 days ago (1 child)

I feel like it should be expensive because of the externalized costs , but I don't have any real data for that

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[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

They call them “externalized costs” specifically because they can ignore them. Things like pollution don’t cost a firm money in a measurable way unless they’re carbon taxed or something like that.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 days ago

long distance calls from airplanes were $5 a minute.

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Thank you. I'm always having to point out that boomers haven't been voting significantly more conservative than liberal, and younger generations haven't been voting significantly more liberal than conservative. It's a stereotype, and an incorrect one. In fact, in 2024, GenX voted more conservative than boomers did.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago* (5 children)

Am I crazy or does the image you post directly contradict what your comment says? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Like it almost seems like you got the what the red and blue represent swapped entirely in your mind? Like you've somehow read it backwards of something.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 days ago* (4 children)

If you look at the 2024 election numbers there is barely a red margin for boomers (65+). It’s men 50+ that have a significantly larger likelihood to vote Republican.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 days ago (3 children)

Boomers are older than 50. They're included in that group.

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago* (2 children)

The youngest boomers were born in 1964 (the last year of that generation), so they were 60 for the 2024 election. So yes, there a little overlap because the poll age ranges aren't exactly the same as the generational ones, but the older boomers would be 70, so mostly in that bottom bar.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 3 days ago* (1 child)

Yes, the bottom bar that also went for Trump based on the chart.

The only bottom bar that didn't go to Trump is women 50+, and they went +1% toward D.

Every other boomer cohort goes right (weirdly, to the left on the chart which is why I suspect it's been read incorrectly).

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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 days ago

I said that they haven't been voting significantly more conservative than liberal. There's this notion that Republicans won because boomers so vote red, and younger generations all voting blue don't quite offset them. The reality is that, while more boomers voted red than blue, the difference isn't huge, and younger generations aren't all overwhelmingly blue either.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 days ago*

Shit they're on to us. Lets stir up some more infighting.

Lets kill a bunch of innocents and make well meaning people solely responsible by accusing them of letting us do it.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 5 days ago

This post misses two aspects: flying used to be an expensive luxury, only, and smoking on flights was fucking disgusting.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 5 days ago* (10 children)

If our grandparents had taken a stand back then and stopped buying shit these corporations would have never gotten so bold. Yeah we should start now (and many are) but we're in a much worse position than they were.

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[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Gen Z is just as hooked with propaganda and brainrot from social media, if not more so. It's insane how consumerist the younger generations are, falling for scam after scam, I think it's peptides now.

This generational warfare shit is insane. Many boomers are working at Walmart because they don't have enough to retire and are also getting fucked over. There are plenty of poor, progressive bloomers, just as there are an astounding number of gen z conservatives and red pill bros.

Let's admit that no one is immune to propaganda, and unfortunately most people in all generations are quick to fall for right wing bs.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

Many boomers are working at Walmart because they don't have enough to retire and are also getting fucked over

And then they go and vote straight R. Every time. Religiously.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

‘If you’re poor and work at Walmart it’s because you’re conservative and voted to suffer’ sure is a great way to kick poor Democrats and drive away poor independents.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 days ago* (1 child)

Maybe they should stop voting against their interests.

I don't know what world you're living in where the venn diagram of boomer Walmart greeters and Fox News viewers isn't a huge overlap?

Maybe it varies by area and California is full of leftist boomer Walmart greeters, I don't know.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 4 days ago

You know literally nothing about them except that they are poor and work in a Walmart and have decided that means they must be Republicans. I don’t wanna hear shit from you about “why doesn’t the working class support Democrats more??” when this is how you talk about them.

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[–] wyrmsbane@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I think its more nuanced than that, you have to remember that we have the internet, while our grandparents did not. Its harder to notice enshittification without it, imo.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I don't need to the internet to see the product I'm looking at in the store is of lesser quality or smaller amount than the previous one.

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[–] wyrmsbane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago (2 children)

Yes, but what about the hundreds or thousands of products you dont keep track of? Anecdotally speaking, I see way more posts online than if I were to go to the store myself. Collective mind is a powerful thing.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

I suppose I wouldn't recognize the enshittification of those products. The people purchasing them regularly would though. Everyone would have their particular set of products they'd be knowledgeable enough about. All together society as a whole could have stood against this shit and smothered it before it took off rather than us having to deal with the raging inferno it is today.

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[–] wyrmsbane@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean yeah, but those classes do have some demographics associated with them. The average age of the wealthiest Americans is 65-68, the average age of a CEO is 61, and the average age of a member of the Senate is 66 years old.

I don't think that class war precludes intergenerational disputes, it's hard to completely separate class from culture, and culture from the age of the generation.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago* (1 child)

How do you know that that's generational rather than, "it takes some time to accumulate wealth, to rise to the position of CEO, or to build a political career enough to become a senator"?

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 1 point 4 days ago

Because the average age of all those positions have gone up significantly for a single generation. Also a lot of the policy and economic theory that makes up the modern economy were pioneered by boomers like Jack Welch while they were first accumulating power. And there's supplemental evidence such as the projected lifespans of future generations being smaller than the generations before in the first time in modern history.

I'm not claiming just being old automatically makes you greedy, just that if you look at culture the baby boomer generation has implemented policy and an economic attitude that is vastly more selfish than any previous generation.

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