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[–] 46 points 6 months ago (20 children)
  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Including the U.S.

    The answer OP is looking for is: if you make it easy to kill people in pain you make it easier to kill people who aren't. This is true for any animal including dogs our law just cares about their lives less.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

    Bad example. In the US it's super cool to deny care for dollars. Illness and death are built into the system from for profit hospitals to health insurance and pharma pricing.

    Edit: Downvote all you like, but Luigi isn't a folk hero without reason.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Killing people is not the same as letting them die of natural causes.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    You cannot put a person down for being sick. Even in countries where euthanasia is allowed, the person has to ask for it, under formal circumstances following formal rules.

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  • [–] 35 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    It's actually way worse, because you can have a dog put down that is perfectly healthy, even when other people want to adopt the dog.
    If you have a dog you literally own it, and the only regulation that protects the dog are rules against animal cruelty.
    You cannot own a human being.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    You cannot own a human being.

    Anymore. Humans can be amazing and very cruel.

    But yes, ask a veterinarian and they will tell you sadly why.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    Unless this was a case of USA defaultism, slavery still exists. In fact there's more slaves today than ever before. 50 million slaves last I checked. Mostly because overall human population has obviously increased drastically too but I digress.

    Also USA constitution exempts prisoners so still okay in a limited capacity.

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    [–] 18 points 6 months ago

    My stepfather made use of Oregon's Death With Dignity law. Him scheduling his death a week out was... weird, but I'm always glad it was an option.

    Though at one point a doc did legally have to inform him that instead of the painless and easy medical assisted death he could instead choose to stop eating or drinking.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    God this is a weird thread.

    How come human laws don't apply to animals?

    Sorry to break it to you kids but billions of people all over the world literally eat animals every day.

    Barbaric ? Perhaps, but it's fair to assume that 100% of your ancestors in the last 100,000 years have delighted in this activity as often as possible.

    You may not wish to acknowledge this but the reality is: your beloved dog or cat is a lesser being, assigned very few rights.

    Obviously if you have a pet dog then you treat that dog differently as you would a chicken living in a cage in a shed with 10,000 other chickens in cages but that dog's right to life is merely an extension of your rights as that dog's owner.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Humans should be allowed to be put out of their misery as well

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    And shouldn’t need to be terminally ill or old.

    If I wanna peace out (humanely) at any age past adulthood, I should be able to.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I agree in theory, but often the desire to end one's life is often symptom of a treatable disease, or short term situation. Less than 10 percent of people who survive a suicide attempt, latter try again and succeed. There would need to be a lot of safety net in place, just like there is for the terminal.

    Honestly I think it could save people. Knowing there is a way out, so to speak, could prevent people from attempts on their own. Not to mention it would prevent traumatizing whoever finds a successful suicide. Needing proof that other treatments are inactive would get even more the help they need.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

    I can see where you’re potentially coming from.

    But I don’t think you comprehend how violent an act of suicide is in almost all cases.

    It takes an insane level of commitment to go through with that the first time, more so for the subsequent attempts.

    Also of the people who really aim to end it, succeed on the first try.

    I don’t know about you, but if given the choice, I probably wouldn’t be here. There’s nothing particularly wrong with me physically, I just don’t want to be here.

    Been the case over a decade ago. Pretty much back as long as I can remember. Still the case today.

    I do agree with the point that a humane way out will probably have a net positive impact in almost all cases. Especially if it comes with “here’s a list of things you should consider doing to lessen the impact on your family and significant other” or something of the sort. Needless to say, but should be entirely optional.

    I don’t think I agree with the “other treatments” mentality though. That just sounds like what the Americans are doing with their abortion clinics trying to emotionally blackmail people into not aborting their child by forcing you to listen to heartbeats and look at ultrasounds.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I do wonder about that. My ex’s uncle decided that financial and legal issues were insurmountable so he could no longer be here. Obviously I have no idea whether a humane option would have been an option, but his issues were clearly temporary so any opportunity to intervene could have saved a lot of collateral damage. Including, while his family appreciated that they didn’t have to discover him, that cop shouldn’t have either

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Because of religious moralistic bullshit.

    Good lord it is way past time to allow people to Euthanize themselves.

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    [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Religion, chiefly.

    This is changing. In slow, small ways but it is changing. Where i live voluntary assisted dying has been enshrined in law since 2017

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    Society does not value animal lives as much as human lives. You're free to draw your personal line elsewhere.

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    Dogs don’t pay taxes or create new parishoners.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    One other point that I think no one has mentioned yet is the importance of informed consent when treating people with otherwise fatal conditions. Surgery and other treatments e.g. chemotherapy for cancer incur a lot of pain and suffering in those going through it as well. A person can understand that all that suffering is for the greater good of extending their life, but for a pet that is far from the case, and they may in fact need to suffer more than if they weren't treated.

    I love my dog with my whole heart, but I would never put her through chemo if she had cancer.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Because humans apply higher standards to themselves then they do to other animals.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago
    1. Pets are not intellectually capable of communicating their feelings or desires to humans, so it is up to us as humans to assess the quality of life of our animals in order to prevent them from needless suffering. There is nothing wrong with trying to treat animal illnesses, if you have the resources to do so and can make sure that the animal is maintaining a good quality of life--but that's sadly not always the case. We love our pets and we all want them to live happily forever after, but the sad truth is that they will eventually get old and sick and (unless they die suddenly) one of the most important acts of compassion that we owe them is giving them a humane end of life without suffering. It is sad. It breaks our fucking hearts. But it is our duty and our responsibility to them, and in a strange way, it is an act of love. We owe it to our pets to take care of them in life and in death.
    2. Unlike pets, human beings are typically thought to have agency and the ability to express their own wishes regarding their end of life. We can't really decide that "ok, grandma is lives enough, time to put her down", because even if we can see that her quality of life has degraded, we understand that it is not our decision to make whether she can continue to try to live.
    3. In some parts of the world, human beings do have the right to choose when to end their own life via physician-assisted suicide, especially in cases where they have some terminal prognosis where they know that their quality of life will not stay high if they continue to live. I don't envy being put in this position, and it's terribly sad to think about, but I do think that it's ethically the right thing to do to allow for that.
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    It depends on the state, actually. Some states allow that.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ibfind it ironic that to put an animal out of it's misery is called being "humane" though to do it to another person is called "homicide".

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Uh, if you kill yourself early the healthcare system won't be able to extract every last dime of your wealth before you die. What, you think your family deserves to inherit it?

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think

    Democracy is, when the laws are NOT according to what you think.

    Ideally the laws are according to what most people think, but this cannot be guaranteed. Therefore democracy is not the best possible form of government, but unfortunately no better one is known.

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