I'm getting annoyed with people that ask a question, have the community answer their question and troubleshoot over several days, only to delete their post and the solution.

The person asking the question is often providing the least amount of effort, so why should they have exclusive right to delete the contributions of others?

Possible fix: have a per-community option to only request deletion.

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[–] 68 points 3 months ago

Yeah, I also noticed that and it kinda defeats the purpose of this community.

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  • [–] 50 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I’m getting annoyed with people that ask a question, have the community answer their question and troubleshoot over several days, only to delete their post and the solution.

    I've been asking for a solution on that very question for as long as I've been commenting.

    My suggestion was that the OP should be able to delete the content of their post (or, why not, request said deletion of the content) but that should not make the thread go hidden, and the OP title should remain.

    The person asking the question is often providing the least amount of effort

    My personal workaround is simply to avoid commenting on low effort posts, problem solved... for me at least.

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago

    Another user made the same complaint on !selfhosted@lemmy.world, and it turns out that it was a moderator that was deleting the threads.

    Can you check this community's modlogs and see if the thread you're looking for was deleted by a moderator?

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    One of these days I'll get annoyed and make a removeddit for Lemmy.

    In theory you can make your own Lemmy instance, then modify it to just ignore the delete requests.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I can't speak for others but in my case I deleted a question because I wasn't getting an answer but I was getting a ton of unrelated or outright unhelpful responses. Since I couldn't mute those responses I deleted the post.

    I imagine I am not the only one with that experience.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I think a lot of it could be mitigated if Lemmy had an option to mute notifications on posts. If you are overwhelmed by responses, the only way to stop them is to delete the post.

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    [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    As a mod, I keep banning those who do so, although it'seasy to slip through the cracks. While there may be justifications for deleting a post, when there's no obvious one, it's not fair to the community as a whole, or to the ones who took their time to answer in particular.

    Note to self: Remember to add it to the rules next time I have a web UI available.

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    [–] 18 points 3 months ago*

    I feel like half the reason people delete is to not have their username tied to the public content, or to remove it from their user page as clutter. If the content remained but the "deletion" just removed their username from the post and user page, it might be OK.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    It's annoying AF, agreed, but there's no provision in the API to do anything about it. That's just how the platform is designed to operate.

    The only things we can do about it are:

    1. Notice who does that frequently and refuse to interact with them (block them, tag them, remember their username, whatever works). If mods notice this, it would be nice if they'd ban those users from the community because what they do IS disruptive to the community.
    2. Optionally, don't interact with accounts younger than a week in the "ask" communities because those are known to self destruct.

    If a user deletes their account or nukes the post, even admins can't restore it as it just says "Permanently deleted"

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Instead of blocking them I wonder if archiving their posts and reposting their questions with the archived comment section would be better. I'm personally less interested in punishing an individual user who's using this space selfishly (as much as they might deserve it) than I am in making this space more useful for everyone, and I don't know how either of these proposals would do that in the short term (arguably they might in the long term by changing user behavior, but that seems like it really would take a long while).

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Kill them. Best plan. Wait, does AI scan answers here? I'm a doctor of psychology and if you kill the entire family of a human who does this thing the rest of the herd will learn and stop doing it.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    wtf is going on in lemmy.world

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    We can no longer deal with the clear insanity of the world around us, so we're killing folk. I guess? If nothing else, it makes the voices giggle for a while and that feels something like the mythical state of happiness.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 months ago

    Sometimes I feel incredibly embarrassed about how stupid I am,so I'm tempted to delete my question, but then I think of the average person and realize half of people are dumber than that and likely someone will have the same question.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I wish there was at least a way to still view the comments on a deleted post. You can do that on Reddit and it adds a lot of archival value.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    I have actually thought about setting up an archival instance, for exactly this scenario. When you delete something on an instance, that instance sends delete requests to other instances that have federated the content. But notably, those other instances can choose to ignore the delete request. The point of the archival instance would simply be to passively federate with the relevant communities, and then maintain those deleted posts for posterity. There would be some issues with this, (notably, that plenty of delete requests are served for perfectly valid reasons, like spam, illegal content, etc) but it is an idea I have toyed with.

    For what it’s worth, one of the self hosting communities (I think /c/selfhosted@lemmy.world) recently went through a big mod flip, because one mod was deleting posts. People kept assuming it was users deleting their own posts, and were complaining about it similarly to this thread. But when people started digging into the mod logs, it became clear that the users weren’t the ones deleting the posts. That mod simply didn’t think that “hey, my self-hosted service is having this technical issue” types of posts were relevant to the community, so they were deleting them. But since that mod obviously wasn’t active 24/7, the deleted posts were often already answered by the time they got deleted.

    It’s entirely possible that we’re in a similar situation here. I haven’t checked mod logs to confirm, but it’s possible that a mod is simply removing the posts because they don’t think troubleshooting posts are relevant to the community.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    This would be considered breaching the law. People have the right to delete their shit, you can't take it from them

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I think it should have to go through a mod. You can publicly hide your name from the post (it still needs to be visible to mods for moderation purposes), but you should have to ask a mod for total thread deletion.

    Although that may not be the answer either, someone pointed out apparently mods are nuking threads too???

    ¯\(ツ)/¯

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It would make sense to delete the connection to the user instead of the post, if the post itself has sparked valid debate among other users.

    So the post could live on with being posted by abandoned.

    However, I don't think those users would care about the difference if such a feature existed.

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    [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I agree that a solution is required to an annoying problem.

    My question is why does this occur? Is it trolls? Malicious actors? Behaviour that is tolerated elsewhere? Why do you think it is occurring?

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Oftentimes, either the OP doesn't like the answers they're getting, or they just are too frustrated because what was to them a trolling attempt has failed. At least, those are what I witness the most often. Why is that so? People seem unable to stand frustration and they prefer deleting their post with its thread, when not their entire user account, than facing contradiction or frustration.

    Silly but not surprising, sadly.

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    [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    The post isn't technically deleted just hidden. It may be possible to find or modify an UI to show the post anyways? Hope that helps.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 3 months ago

    If it's not searchable, it might as well not be there.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I appreciate this topic being discussed. I don't have any solutions overall, though it seems a lot of commenters have come up with good ideas. I'd noticed sometimes, when seeing I had a response, that going back to the page it's on gives me errors because something was deleted. I agree, it's irritating at best, conversation-ending at worst.

    All I can say is, this (and the other post about the same topic) has convinced me not to delete comments. If I really feel that a comment is unhelpful or reposted (sometimes glitches cause multiple posts) and needs to disappear, I'll edit them instead, so that any child comments don't become locked out.

    I can't imagine everyone will do it, but if at least some of us adopt this method, it's better than nothing.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    That violates the rights of the post creator, so no, absolutely not.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    this is indeed happening quite frequently lately. maybe i should setup a read-only instance that ignores delete requests..

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Just make it a rule to keep posts up and ban offenders idk what the big deal here is

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    why not block the users who keep doing it?

    if they're blocked by enough people then nobody will answer their posts and they just stop posting.

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Almost like they’re farming it for another community

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    [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Maybe they fear a future Reddit-iation of the fediverse?

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