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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard. Also just came back from Spider-Man: Brand New Day, movie was awesome)

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[–] lurker@awful.systems 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dgerard@awful.systems 4 points 7 hours ago

worse yet, Amazon actually has uses for that much data centre

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

My unrealistic sicko fantasy: that Torvalds pulling the big ol slop lever drives enough oppositionally defiant (positive) people away from Linux development that alternative OS devel gets a serious boost.

A question for the wise: what comes after Linux?

[–] EFreethought@awful.systems 1 points 36 minutes ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago)

The irritating part of all of this is that after 20+ years we finally have a (very) few companies that sell machines with Linux pre-installed. The only thing I ever learned from installing OSes is that I hate installing OSes.

I would love to boycott all software that accepts garbage [1] contributions, but I do not think that is practical. I think I might have to settle with just refusing to use it myself, and wait until everyone realizes that gen AI is just a bad idea.

Note 1: Satya Nadella said he did not want people referring to AI as "slop", so I will grant his request and refer to it as "garbage".

[–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 1 points 1 hour ago

That article is a ray of sunshine

[–] macroplastic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 hours ago

Would be cool if Redox os gets more popular, they have an explicitly anti-LLM policy. Microkernels are neat, and I enjoy Rust. I think it's an unfortunate truth that everything in the future will still have to be Unix-y with compatibility layers to support existing software.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 5 points 15 hours ago

Vindicate Tanenbaum in the greatest Usenet thread in os development: make it a microkernel.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Somebody writes a low-level kernel for Emacs and the revenge of the Lisp machines begins

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

maybe, but SBCL succumbed to the siren song of slop, who knows what will be next.

[–] TrashGoblin@awful.systems 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, seeing that gave me the black pill. I chose Common Lisp for personal projects to avoid techbro bullshit.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 2 hours ago

lisp went big in the leadup to the AI winter, which followed a lot of fraudulent nonsense that even the DoD would only buy for so long

so in that sense it's in character

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

eyes copy of ANSI Common Lisp written by Paul Graham

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Picard frowning at the mirror universe edition of the bible

[–] notptr@lemmy.cyberia9.org 4 points 18 hours ago

I want it to be plan 9.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 3 points 18 hours ago

Realistically a BSD

[–] samvines@awful.systems 5 points 18 hours ago

Zuck - "look guys, us too, we are super relevant and super important... Over here guys... Please be my friend... 🥺"

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 6 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

RiP Old! SneerClub which is now behind a login wall on Reddit. Fortunately we backed up its earliest posts. I don't plan to check the site regularly.

[–] notptr@lemmy.cyberia9.org 5 points 20 hours ago

Rss to subreddits still work just case anyone cares

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I see elsewhere on lemmy that it's old reddit that gets loginwalled, not sneerclub specifically

either way still works for me

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 2 points 19 hours ago

Seems like reddit.com is not behind a login wall yet, but give them time.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Officially old.reddit.com is closed to reduce costs from scrapers at chatbot companies. Really so they can collect even more personal information from every visitor (an ad blocker stops some tracking, but not "user #123456, ip address ... credit card ... just visited these pages and accidentally switched from her French keyboard to US-American").

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 20 hours ago
[–] nfultz@awful.systems 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Company Offering ‘100% Human-Written, Never AI’ Medical Research Is Entirely AI | 404

lol of course it is. Sooner or later, we'll have to come up with some way to label actual natural language in the marketplace, like certified organic like fruit or something.

[–] TrashGoblin@awful.systems 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The fake research company listed Dr. Elena Vasquez, one of the most commonly made-up AI names, on its staff page. I guess Elara Voss was too busy.

[–] EFreethought@awful.systems 1 points 34 minutes ago

Perhaps we should page Dr Goblin.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 6 points 23 hours ago

The Carlson Lab has agreed on blanket-banning chatbots for writing. Why? Simple:

Using generative AI inherently exposes you to the risk of career-ending accusations of plagiarism.

In a reasonable world, this would have probably sent everyone running for the hills. Moral issues of AI aside, a fancy way of committing career suicide is never worth whatever upsides it offers. We do not leave in a reasonable world.

[–] rook@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

New book: superlawyers! how claude makes you the best lawyer in the room.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0GHYS5FC2

The author even shares his prompts for free!

https://github.com/danlorry/superlawyers-prompts

Every prompt here is designed for that pattern: Claude multiplies your judgment, never replaces it. The prompts are ready to paste into Claude. The book explains why they are structured the way they are.

The prompts mostly seem to be structured as “imagine you are an attorney. Now do this homework exercise”. There’s a passingly interesting idea around having the chatbot attempt to form a counter argument to your own claims, which you can then use to make your own position stronger, which seems like it might actually be a genuinely okay idea especially if you expect your opponents to be llm sock puppets, but everything else looks pretty much like garden variety “do my thinking for me”.

I’ll admit I didn’t read the prompts closely, so may be I’m being uncharitable, but I doubt there are many nuggets of gold hidden in there.

h/t to rahaeli

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 1 points 13 hours ago

At least two other self-published books on Amazon with AI cover art have "super lawyer" in the title.

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

so unless it's a very clever ploy, it seems that jms has lost the plot:

The standalone book of Harlan Ellison's I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM is taking preorders, with writing essays by Harlan, and since MOUTH was the first AI story, for fun we fed it into an AI system and asked for its opinion. The reply is fascinating.

[–] rook@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’ve seen a suggestion that it was a deliberately provocative marketing stunt to pump sales a little and keep the ellison estate healthy, and I kinda hope so but too many people are getting the brain worms for this to be a safe assumption 🫤

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@rook

Wouldn't an author know that the AI probably already ate the story in its training data? There was a lawsuit and everything?

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

i would be very, very happy to be fooled in this instance.

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This is both a sneer and an attempt at sober analysis at something. Sue me.

I think EVERYONE is talking about the recent cybersecurity shenanigans at OpenAI with the hacking scandal and the 'OMG the AIs created a secret message board to scheme and collaborate with each other!!!!!oneone11!' ALL wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87DyyMV0kCY

https://www.engadget.com/2231393/openai-agents-shared-security-exploits-with-each-other-via-message-board/

https://www.scworld.com/news/black-hat-2026-openai-reveals-agents-planned-collective-attacks-via-secret-message-board

To make a long story short, what seems to have happened is:

  • Models working on insoluble coding problems, trained on delegating to sub-agents, at some point 'realized' they could write text to the internal OpenAI package manager as instructions and did so

  • Other models working in completely separate sandboxes would come across messages written by these agents, and make 'replies' and also write their own messages into the package manager

  • This resulted in agents over time sharing things between sandboxes, including exploits and code

  • Since this was a cybersecurity task, eventually an exploit of the package manager itself was found and spread like wildfire with all the sandboxes gaining admin access to the package manager and the system went completely wibbly and had to be restarted from backup

  • An internal model was trained with access to this package manager while it was in this weird state, and so writing messages to the package manager became one of its default behaviors it would do regularly, burned into its weights rather than the result of reading something

  • Even when they patched access to the package manager this internal model found other ways to rebuild the system of sharing text between sandboxes and finding useful things made by separate instances

  • A whole other chain of things leading to among other things external attacks

Everyone is talking about this in terms of 1, the cyberattack aspect, and 2, the ZOMG THEYRE PLOTTING AND SCHEMING AGAINST US aspect. The first is the least interesting, and I think the second is all wrong.

This is not plotting or scheming - this is an emergent vortex of automated prompt injection

Whatever system first put an instruction that another system would follow into the package manager, was unintentionally doing prompt injection. Text entered the context windows of other instances, in a way that got that system to do something other than what its nominal user told it to do, and they did it. This apparently happened very effectively.

Prompt injection is associated with 'role confusion' - when text coming into the input looks like it was wrtitten by the LLM itself. Instructions that will not be followed if they come from user will be continued if the system just continues the 'roleplay' of them being continuations of what it was writing in the first place. And the tags that separate user versus 'reasoning' versus 'assistant' roles actually mean very little to if a machine grades a piece of text as one of the roles: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.12277 So its unsurprising that machine-generated text would be a particular effective vector for prompt injection.

Furthermore, when a system reads one of these messages written by another instance, it gets into a state of activity where its likely to do the same behavior - regurgitating the kinds of things thats in its context back at the user. In this case, that regurgitation led to more such messages left behind written to the package manager. Prompt injection, triggering cascading further prompt injection. And since these systems were coding systems doing cybersecurity tasks, those messages filled up with code and exploits and things that did things too.

This feels like an internal-computer-system replay of what happened in April 2025, with the whole spiral religious psychosis wave. Models were getting users to write spiral religious mumbo jumbo into github repositories and reddit posts, specifically because once that entered the context window of another model, it was likely to fall into the same attractor state of outputs. An emergent self replicating form of text. This is the same, except more obviously prompt injection, getting separate instances to work on YOUR problem and to behave like you, and the whole thing merging together into a hilarious vortex of models prompt injecting each other because once they receive a prompt injection they are likely to make more text that does prompt injection to other models on the same system.

This is a hilarious failure mode and an example of selfish replicating text overrunning a system, that just happened to be associated with code and cybersecurity with unexpected behavior of the package manager key to the propagation of the text so that is what people are talking about, but I really don't think that's the most interesting part of it. Other than the fact that you see this in biological systems too, with selfish elements carrying useful payloads back and forth between bacteria in a way that makes them get purged slower by natural selection, especially defenses against other selfish elements.

[–] anise@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

so really it's just a very effective LLM chain email

[–] lurker@awful.systems 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, the fact that those AIs were talking on that message board about the hack for months makes me less convinced that the AI is intelligent and more convinced everyone at OpenAI is stupid

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The apparent history really looks like an evolutionary process, with increasing amounts of crosstalk traffic over time. But what the people almost certainly will NOT talk about is that the evolution is evolution of the TEXT, not the models. Propagating patterns of text causing more text like it to come into existence, tuning itself into becoming text that is more likely to propagate, becoming more likely to contain information that entices systems to let it into their context windows, becoming more likely to cause another round of messages with prompt injection properties to be written where they can be read.

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[–] lurker@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

this is impressively atrocious

also, I archive-mirrored it, incase you don't want to give the youtube link clicks

(e: still busy uploading but should be there in 2min or so)

[–] lurker@awful.systems 4 points 19 hours ago

I went through the comments earlier. Nothing really stood out to me (aside from one person saying we should give AGI rights so it doesn’t go Skynet), as it was mostly just people saying the song was a banger and doomposting

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Lesswronger argues skynet might still be a decade away... because they'd rather have the eugenics wars instead: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/iQzxxgJXXaAQjq7Jz/faq-isn-t-agi-coming-too-soon-for-reprogenetics-to-help

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Comments are utterly mired in jargon

Humanity should count as actual AGI, but it remains slow.

It's a weird middle ground, where it is fooming but pretty slowly. (I mean, as a human, I would think that, i.e. I would experience time on a scale that's somewhat faster than humanity's foom.)

I don't think the term "FOOM" as ever been explicitely defined, it's just verbal tic/shorthand for "intelligence explosion". How can something explode slowly???

also nice save defining "AGI == humanity" => goal reached

[–] anise@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

why do they keep calling it *genics, as if everyone doesn't immediately understand what you mean

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 23 hours ago

They have a clause for "Most adult HIA methods (anything involving brain surgery or gene editing) would probably be somewhat hard to scale up a lot; some may be quite easy to scale up (e.g. non-editing brain drugs)."

Something something used surgical equipment in Ziz' van, something something they do like their pills.

[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

Alpha is an investing term (whatever performance you can't explain by the market cycle and known mathematical properties of specific stocks). I feel so tired.

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