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[–] 45 points 1 month ago (26 children)

Social media has the power to do so much good: connecting people across the globe, enabling the sharing of information across language barriers and in circumvention of government censorship, and more. But because the world is run by greedy power-hungry pigs, we can't have social media without it being exploited to the furthest extent possible in the name of profit. The mental health of the public is not even a secondary concern - it is completely disregarded in favor of squeezing further growth out of a saturated market for a service that should be both simple and free.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

    Before all that - and you are right on your take - there is a more basic flaw that affects social media: people do not know how to act properly.

    The anonimity emboldens the small minds that use it to mistreat, slander and ridicule others and spread lies and rumours.

    Unless we can force people to act with civility - which implies people being fairly conscious of the consequences of their words and actions - social media will remain what it is: a cesspool where the worst of our species destils into a refined poison.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    people do not know how to act properly

    They do, in communities where rules exist and are enforced. Anonymity may lead some people to feel more emboldened to act out, but when handled properly I believe the vast majority of them will just settle down and either learn how to participate in good faith or find somewhere else to be. The bad behavior patterns we see in some places are, in my opinion, the result of insufficient social norms and enforcement thereof. This is also a situation capitalists will foster, because it drives engagement and inflates content.

    Unless we can force people to act with civility - which implies people being fairly conscious of the consequences of their words and actions

    So you already understand that this is a problem that only exists in places where bad actors are given license to continue acting out.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (13 children)

    See: Manna by Marshall Brain. In his Australia project they simply install a centrally controlled "cutoff switch" - when people are out of line their conscious brain gets switched over to a virtual reality where they can live out their fantasies while their bodies report to detention until their brain decides it wants to join "the real world" again.

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    [–] 29 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    Yet no one wants to leave social media.

    I left it last year and feel so much better. No FB no Whatsapp, no Insta, no Tictok, no nothing.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (17 children)
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    Does lemmy do the whole algorithm thing? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

    Algorithmic social media is pretty much what we're talking about, I'm sure.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Of course it has an algorithm, but I think you're referring to an algorithm that includes personalized or demographic parameters.

    Regardless of whether the algorithm includes that (or rather, to which degree), let's not forget that bad actors can use the knowledge of the open source algorithm to identify the optimal way to manipulate the platform to bring their content on top.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You are not wrong. It is a social media and TBF the term has been poisoned by many platforms. I think just like drinks there are healthier options. Healthier online community spaces and I’d like to think this place is one of them.

    It is an addiction that takes steps of lesser. The place you visit. How long you stay there are steps of management.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago*

    There are lots of us that wanted to leave and did. There are lots that want to and can’t find the will power to do so. It’s definitely addictive. It was hard for me to quit, I have an addictive personality, but I’ve also given up drinking and smoking entirely without councilors or pharma aids. I think it’s time we regulate it like a dangerous addiction until there’s a change to how the algorithms function, which may be never.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago*

    In today's episode of "fucking obviously, duh,"... fine-tuned digital brainwashing algorithms do in fact have generally 'bad' effects on the human mind.

    Some say they may even be addictive and habit forming!

    More at 11!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Attention Everyone.

    Grass is green.

    Fork found in kitchen.

    Water is wet.

    Sky is blue.

    Thank you for your time.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Y'all, this is one of those articles worth reading right quick. The title is... well, bad. They were looking more at the "quality" rather than quantity of social media usage. The findings were more about the reinforcement of the user's state rather than social media itself being bad. Sure, the algorithm will push things, but your algorithm is primarily gonna push what it needs to keep you engaged with itself, and what you engage with will be influenced by your state of mind/mood. If you're already depressed, you're probably gonna reinforce that via the algorithm. Same deal with positive outlooks. Neuroplasticity and all that.

    The researchers also bring up a good point about calling into question the recommendation to limit the amount of time on social media with the idea of mitigating the negative effects. Much like [alcohol] prohibition in the US, a ban on social media usage does nothing to teach us a more wise and healthy approach, nor is it something realistic for the general population.

    In fact, if we practice abstention in such a way, those that would use it for malignant purposes would make it worse. I think a good example of that is cryptocurrency. Crypto isn't inherently bad, but boy did it get super maligned by any left-leaning space. There are plenty of useful things we could do with crypto, especially now with the hostile behavior of many currency-issuing states, but since crypto was mostly abandoned by leftist spaces, scams, commodification, speculation, and other hyper-capitalist bullshit abounds in the crypto space.

    Do we really want to cede the further development of social media to malignant dickheads via unwitting abstention? Or will we take the time to actually learn how to wisely approach the tools we have right in front of us?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Howabout this:

    All social media algorithms that direct content flow to users are required to be open source, in perpetuity, at least for viewing, so that actual unbiased folks can audit them. Maybe make a new liscense class for this, if need be, so companies can still own the code, but it just has to be publically reviewable.

    Would you install blackbox code on your pc?

    Well, would you let a blackbox determine what information is fed into your own brain?

    Mandate systemic transparency.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    That's what Pirate parties advocate for, actually. They do seem to gain back in popularity with the chat control proposal. Problem of the mainstream left parties is that they heavily underrate importance of free software. Underrate to the level of buying iphones, macbooks, subscriptions and so forth. Pirate parties are actually nice step to secure privacy of left-activists in the neoliberal future.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I did not know that, but that entirely makes sense.

    I'm American; if we had a 'pirate party' type party, it would be considered a terrorist organization by our pedophile president and his cult of closeted christian racist theocrat morons.

    But uh yeah... world economy and society broadly is hugely run by tech and tech companies, you'd think a more nuanced and informed discussion about tech law and policy would accompany that... but nope!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Crypto isn’t inherently bad, but boy did it get super maligned by any left-leaning space.

    Crypto isn't inherently bad, deceptive pump and dump / Ponzi schemes generally are considered to be bad by those not on the receiving end of the bulk of the funds.

    At its outset, I thought it was the left-leaning (non-conservative) spaces that were religiously championing crypto for its' subversion of the financial industry. Of course it wasn't long before the financial industry and traditional grifters learned how to turn Crypto to their usual tricks as a new source of income...

    Do we really want to cede the further development of social media to malignant dickheads

    If you haven't noticed, a lot of people who have a lot of money/power are malignant dickheads, and putting SM-A backed by their type up against SM-B promoted by the "fairness to all, don't hurt anybody" crowd, which one do you think is going to corner 90%+ of the market share: A or B? B just doesn't have the promotional juice (cash) to compete for mindshare.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    water is wet, fork found in kitchen

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Social media itself is bad for your mental health. It encourages forming snap judgements using low quality information. Training yourself to use this kind of superficial thought process makes you easier to fool and manipulate.

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    [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Lemmy has been ok for me. I get on it whenever I feel like it and leave whenever I can't deal with the politics anymore

    Edit: grammar

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    It's much better here without an algorithm, but on the other hand the user base feels pretty ruthless where the blandest opinions net you down votes and angry replies. I only feel safe with jokes and factoids. I think I'm slowly reaching the point where I'll either stop using any online platforms altogether or just 100% lurk.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    Again!
    IDK how many times I've seen similar headlines. But it's a lot.

    A simple google search shows me more than 5 studies already on the first page.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I'm shocked! SHOCKED! Well...

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    It took them time...

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