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I have been avoiding multiplayer Valve games like Counter-Strike 2 and Team Fortress 2, due to their in-game economies that have created an underage gambling gray market, which Valve has done little about. However, I am on Linux, and the choices for multiplayer shooters are few. Besides, my small boycott is not stopping Counter-Strike 2 from being the most played steam game. Are boycotts really the best solution to stop this epidemic in gaming? How can we best prevent these gambling grey markets and the gaming to gambling addiction pipeline?

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[–] pory@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Just not buying something isn't a boycott. Don't buy bad games, and it's a good idea to include dark patterns in the criteria for what makes a game bad.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I've bought singleplayer games with loot boxes and no anticheat and just used cheat engine to get the ingame currency for them. I think I'm doing my part.

[–] natryamar@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

WTF there are singleplayer games with lootboxes?!?!?

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Now I realize why i never play those games

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah. I liked Origins as a game but since playing that one, which I got for free anyway I think, I haven't looked at the series since.

[–] natryamar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've never played Assasins Creed but why on earth would a game like that need loot boxes? That just sounds crazy to me.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

They decided to give the game a wardrobe system with loot rarity so you could get EPIC MOUNTS and RARE SWORDS.

But there's no point to it because the game just gives you the Chocobo mount for free and that's the only one worth using.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Does that really count? As far as I know, the golden keys mechanic was just a way to get some good gear. It wasn’t exclusive gear, and you could get it just by playing the game.

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Right, but the fifa series afaik makes most of its money by selling packs of cards with players in them. Packs and players that you can get by just playing. But they still sell those packs for $$, so why wouldn't it count? Afaik, that's one of the main culprits besides counter strike that are named when talking about loot boxes

Borderlands the same, you can buy random gear with cash. I guess it's less fomo and less abusive, but they're still literal loot boxes that they sell for money

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Gatcha system is why I never finished Xenoblade Chronicles 2. The first game was phenomenal… But the second game required a gatcha system to unlock new party members. There were even quests that were locked behind certain ultra-rare party members. It’s an entirely single player game.

[–] kcweller@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're not though, you are still buying those games. Go the extra mile and pirate them if you really feel the need to play games containing loot box mechanics while trying to "stick it to them"

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

empress is dead

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I've never bought or played one & have no plans to.

[–] ILaughBecauseFunny@feddit.dk 6 points 6 days ago

One of the reasons why Valheim is one of my favorite games these days... You buy it and then you play it... No loot boxes, no in game shop, Doesn't force you to be online and a minimal amount of RNG at all... But the grind is real though...

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do I have to start playing games with loot boxes before I can start boycotting them?

The only one I've ever played was overwatch, but overwatch 2 is garbage, so...

[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Sad what happened to that game. OG Overwatch was freaking awesome, OW2 is complete garbage.

[–] FunkFactory@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Almost everything about OW1 is now back in OW2! 6v6 is back, loot boxes are back. You can even play the OW1 metas if you want, though they pretty much only show just how much better the game has gotten over the years.

I've been playing OW1 since launch and have really liked OW2, my only complaint was that they were making playable heroes unlockable, but that was fixed a long time ago.

[–] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, if anything, we need to boycott games with battle passes. I'm not a fan of lootboxes but I'd take them any day over a battle pass. Don't pressure me to play specific ways, don't exploit FOMO to try to get me to grind or spend money. I find that a LOT more predatory than lootboxes, at least in games where they're optional.

[–] natryamar@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Dont you also have to grind for lootboxes?

[–] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 2 points 6 days ago

Not in every game. Some games make it reasonably fair, such as Elder Scrolls Online which makes it possible to obtain the lootbox items in other ways.

Yes but loot boxes is gambling and is an addiction and gaming companies know this and exploit this.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I pretty much can't play anything any more because I refuse to play anything with loot boxes or timers or in-game currency.

There are very few games on Android you can just buy and play casually to relax for a few hours.

[–] vxx@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Stardew Valley

Balatro

Slay The Spire

Lichess

[–] overload@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Final fantasy tactics is decent on android too

[–] KokoSabreScruffy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

can add Loop Hero and most of Kairosoft games.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 days ago

As for android games... If you like puzzles like sudoku, check out Simon Tatham's Puzzle collection. Simple ad-free online experience with a varied collection of puzzle games.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Definitely boycott paying real money for lootboxes or games with real money lootboxes.

If you're not paying, then it's just a factor to consider, the companies won't care about you much

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I'm still waiting for a reliable way to pirate games with micro transactions and lootboxes.

Like, I know Assassin's Creed Odyssey has daily quests and a rotating cash shop, and that must be talking to some sort of server that isn't guaranteed to be there. Surely there's a way to mock that server?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 days ago

Wasn't playing them in the first place. Also a Linux gamer, if you want a shooter. Isonzo. Easy Red 2 is alright too, not quite as polished as Isonzo but it does have vehicles in it and is more single player/coop focused than PvP.

Will me not buying lootbox microtransaction bullshit games make any difference to the industry? Almost certainly not. But it really doesn't matter much either. I can buy the few good games instead and just ignore what the rest of the industry is doing.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I think your voice could actually be better than your wallet on this.

For one, these games are free. So, are you harming the world by playing them and just not buying loot boxes? Minimally, at best. I also advise people enacting boycotts to represent vocal action around them. For instance, I called Target directly about my boycott when they ended DEI hiring.

You can also help lobby politicians to make clear how you feel on the issue. That can put a lot more panic on publishers. Politicians don’t have a strong reason to defend them - often it only gets ignored because they don’t think voters find it a significant issue. Even if you don’t get a federal ban, sometimes you can get state laws like limiting physical advertising; which can also sometimes spread to other states.

Basically, boycotting as a form of inaction, especially when it makes your days boring, isn’t necessarily an effective approach.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 93 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 week ago

I started my protest a decade ago.

While you can argue that nothing happened and we still have loot boxes, I'd argue that my life is greatly enriched for not feeling any motivation to play in those looty skinner box games.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 69 points 1 week ago (7 children)

You should not put your time or money into anything doing something that you don't like in the marketplace, because that's the only way it changes.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Many of us have been doing this from the beginning, but it represents a fundamental misunderstanding of how gacha games work.

Most people do not pump loads of money into these. Many don’t pay anything at all. But those people are not the target audience. These companies are going after the whales. Basically gambling addicts who will destroy their entire lives to pump everything they have into it.

Which is exactly why these games either need to be illegal, or the law needs to put caps on how much individuals are permitted to spend on these.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't get me started on magic the gathering

Ohhhhhhhhhh boy

[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just play "Team Fortress 2 Classic" or "Open Fortress" both are really cool community projects without crates, or any micro transactions as far as I know.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago

Don't pre-order and don't buy games that have loot boxes or other in-app purchases.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been boycotting them for years yet we all can see how that turned out

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 14 points 1 week ago
[–] 60d@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Already boycott lootboxes and gacha games.

Sell me the game and give free updates or fuck off. I'm done paying you to be your beta tester.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I already do, but I'm also not as avid a gamer as I once was. Every FPS became borderline unplayable when loot crates became a thing. Call me old fashioned, but I liked when games had the same weapons for everyone, and there weren't random cards or whatever that made people's guns more powerful / reload /shoot faster, etc. It really brings an imbalance to the game, and enables these stupid gambling sites. The companies making the games are making money hand over fist, so they aren't going to stop any time soon barring regulation, and looking at this administration, good fucking luck with that. Boycott away.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you are not their target audience then you can‘t really boycott them in the first place. And in my opinion there is no harm in playing a game with loot boxes when you don‘t buy them. They aren’t really getting anything out of non-spenders. That’s not how their servers keep running. And most f2p games that I encounter nowadays do season passes without the random factor anyway, so I feel the loot box discussion is becoming a little outdated for the main stream. Thank goodness.

I‘ve also noticed multiple times that this community has a gripe with multiplayer games for some reason. It‘s better to take anything from online strangers with a grain of salt.

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