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[–] 90 points 1 week ago (33 children)

I often think about that canal future that never happened. How sick would it be to get a boat to work everyday

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  • [–] 61 points 1 week ago (11 children)

    It isn't. Riding the ferry is a pain in the ass. Boats are slow (or it is too much of a nuisance). High traffic makes it even slower.

    Source: live in a city with shitloads of canals and ferries.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    But it's boat traffic. You can literally stare at the bobbing water until the waterways clear

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Until, some time within the first two weeks, the novelty wears off, and commuting on a boat becomes subjectively indistinguishable from commuting on a particularly slow bus.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago

    Montréal fixed slow ferries a while back. You're definitely beating traffic on one of these and they essentially aren't bothering anyone zooming across an already turbulent river commercial Harbour.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    I was once in the running for a job at a place that was on the banks of a lake and included a boat landing. Learned that there was a house available within my price range right across on the same lake. So I started having real conversations with my wife about us getting like a jet ski for me to commute across the lake to work.

    Didn't get the job. Was bummed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I think the main advantage would have been getting non urgent freight off motorways as bulk efficiency is the big perk you get with boats.

    If you want to boat into work every day Toronto has that option available all year from the islands. Another perk is living in a car free & wooded neighborhood 5-15 minutes away from downtown/harbourfront. Lots of people also live on boats on the Toronto islands, drive their dinghy into town during the summer and then dock at one of the harbourfront marinas in the winter. (Just watch out for the crazy water taxi drivers!)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    But how much does that lifestyle cost (relative to a normal Toronto neighborhood)?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

    $900-1000 per month if you're on a boat. Probably less during the summer. The houses on the islands are artificially cheap since the prices and sale is controled by the city. The issue is the limited wait list to have the chance to buy one of the houses.

    So 50,000 – $700,000 for houses plus a $60,000-78,000 one time lease payment.

    At the high end that would maybe get you a two bedroom condo across the water but the average is probably comparable to the price of a one bedroom condo.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    The houses on the islands are artificially cheap since the prices and sale is controled by the city

    Aren't they also under the remains of a 100 year lease? With something like 70 years left?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I seem to recall reading about Swiss workers swimming home in the river after work, the current carried them the right way and it seemed brilliant

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    "I'm going to take the lazy river home." That would be so sweet.

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  • For the first 3 or 4 days. About then you're gonna start getting tired of drying off before sitting on the couch when you get home. Then the weather will get too hot or too cold or too mosquito-y.

    There's a reason why all modern water parks are surrounded by concrete. Disney World had a water park out in the woods that included a natural lagoon. It's been shut down for decades after a few guests died of brain eating amoeba.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I prefer rail in its various forms. Way faster and cheaper. Canals are absolutely amazing at one crucial thing: moving mind boggling amounts of bulky low value goods for a fraction the cost of rail. The mississippi river system was no joke an american superpower (and still is) for a looong time. You can move grain for thousands of kms for the same price it would cost to ship it 150 via rail.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    So is the move by the car industry to get rid of mass transit in cities long ago a parallel to AI being swept in to replace people as some better solution only to find out later than it's not so great but now getting people back is difficult?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    The thing about the transit conspiracy is that at that time many people wanted rid of street cars and wanted more space for more cars. It's not like Ford came to town in roaming gangs, ripping up street car tracks. They fed a desire among the public for a modern car-brained society and the public were happy to help.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Canals at least it was pretty easy to see a valuable use case.

    Get commerce from New York to the Great Lakes without have to sail up past Maine and then still get past Niagara Falls somehow? That's amazing!

    It just got outpaced by technology

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    Western Canada might not exist if it hadn't been for canals.

    After the war of 1812, Canada / Britain (there wasn't really a separate Canada at that point) decided there needed to be a way to get military supplies and equipment to Fort York (Toronto) and west of there without using the St. Lawrence river. The river had a number of issues, but the biggest one was that the US controlled the southern shore. So, as a result, it built a canal from Ottawa to Kingston. Montreal to Ottawa was possible with existing rivers, and it was safe to get to Montreal from England without going too close to US territory.

    So, the Rideau Canal was built. It connected Bytown (now Ottawa) to Kingston. For about 30 years it was the main way of moving people and supplies to the upper shore of Lake Ontario. After that it was replaced by railroads. But, without all the people who had moved west thanks to the canal and now could buy and sell things, there might not have been the justification to build those railroads.

    So, yeah, it got outpaced by technology. But, it was a good idea, and was very useful for a few decades.

    Also, many of those canals are now tourist attractions and pleasant natural spaces for residents. Virtually everywhere I've travelled where there is a canal, it is now used by people for pleasure boating, or houseboats. Almost always there's also a nice walking path or bike path next to the canal. Rivers are lovely, but rivers tend to have sloped banks which means there isn't a natural path that's right next to the water. With canals, there's often a man-made edge to the waterway, so you can walk / bike right next to it.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    There's no way that the long term billing for AI is tokens. It's not budgetable, it's arbitrary, and eventually people will figure out ways to either game it or evade it.

    It's much more likely that they get crammed full of ads and become useless than it is that they become profitable charging via token IMO.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Just had a funny thought:

    User: Please write a boilerplate function that does

    LLM:

    //XYZ Function: This function does the thing...
    //Subscribe to Incogni to prevent your valuable personal data from ending up in the hands of Data Brokers
    function XYZ () {
    ...
    
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    [–] 15 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    A few counties like the UK and Netherlands got in on the canal game early. Nowadays, the remaining canal networks there are mostly used for leisure (there are a lot of houseboats in Amsterdam, London, the English Midlands and such), though occasionally they hold their own for specific freight (the spoil from tunnelling for high-speed rail lines in England was often moved by barge rather than convoys of lorries).

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    I live in the Netherlands, they still transport lots of cargo via canals. It’s one of the cheapest ways to transport heavy freight like cement. The canals connect to rivers so the barges can travel up the Rhine or Meuse to Germany . Canals aren’t just the waterways inside the cities.

    Also a €7BN mega canal is currently under construction in Europe https://youtu.be/VdWQQ1OCUPo

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Canals are still used to transport freight in Europe. For example there is a canal in southern Germany that connects the Main to the Danube, allowing ships to travel from the North Sea to the Black Sea through rivers and that canal. Germany generally has lots of navigable waterways including canals.

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    Aren't these both projects that had very strong long term benefits on shipping and exporting?

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    [–] 4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Shoutout to the Clinton Kalamazoo Canal

    Likely the most ambitious and worst infrastructure project in state history.

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