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[–] 80 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

It shouldn't be up to discord or any other internet entity to verify the age of its users.

Parents. Parents should be monitoring their child's Internet usage.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    Say it one more time for the dumbasses in the back row!

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    Listen we can't have people thinking they can have some sort of responsibility to function in the world. That might give them the bright idea that they can start judging for themselves the state of the world and to demand some kind of accountability. They might even clue in to the problems that the tech monopolies are purposely causing, along with the social ills that come with it.

    We can't have that at all.

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    [–] 1 point 2 days ago

    XMPP is still alive peeps, movim even works on the browser

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  • [–] 151 points 5 days ago (10 children)

    Part of me thinks is this just performative nonsense that will always have enormous holes in it, like Prohibition.

    Scanning "your" face to prove your age is really just scanning a face.

    But I also worry about successive noose tightening.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    Nah. They want to be an essential service for games.
    Verified users of appropriate age.
    Integrated game chat.
    Integrated game VoIP.
    All appropriate-for-age.

    Can't develop your own moderation? Just pay discord.

    So many companies will pay massive sums to outsource chat/VoIP/age-verification/moderation to discord.
    And discord is already the "goto" gaming community provider.

    Oh, and shop stuff.
    Gift (buy) a friend a cool cosmetic through discord. Already has the community connections. Just needs the reason for games to tightly integrate it (moderation, chat, VoIP, age verification).

    It is absolutely a positioning move

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    [–] 9 points 3 days ago* (4 children)

    For those interested you can find alternatives to Discord and any other software on AlternativeTo.net But here are some of the standouts I have found:

    • Armada https://armada.buzz/: End to End Encrypted Messaging with Discord Import and similar UI, comms for gaming, Voice and Video Calling, and App and Desktop Streaming at full capability. No Phone # or Email required. Can be self hosted and is Open Source. Win/Linux/Mobile versions Ready to go now.
    • Fluxer https://fluxer.app/: As the webpage states "Free and open source chat for friends, groups, and communities, with text, voice, video, screen sharing, and self-hosting." and while functional, they have ramped up development to add guides for self hosting and mobile clients that aren't released yet, and have an ambitious roadmap on their blog. You have to use 3rd party bridging apps for importing Discord Servers.
    • Stoat (Formally Revolt) https://stoat.chat/: Another Open Source alternative that you can host your own, but at this time servers aren't connected and they want to do it through Federation, or in other words like email servers, so users can browse public servers. They are early days on the desktop and video sharing as well but they users like it so much and development team is so reachable that donations more than pay for the community service and development. Uses an open web app so anywhere you can get a modern browser to work has access.
    • VoltChat https://voltagechat.app/: A platform similar to the previously mentioned Armada, but using its own decentralized federated platform.
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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago* (1 child)

    I don't want to sound like a downer, but I'm skeptical about Armada: never heard of it before, repo created last June, tons of features implemented in that short span and already "ready to go"... Seems like it has been heavily vibe-coded.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago

    Or it could be a dedicated team of coders using AI to generate code for them to review based on already existing encryption and platform packages. At this point only time will tell. I just put it out as an example... I can no more defend its security or the codebase of it or any other of the alternatives I listed. These just stood out to me from the others on AlternativeTo.net.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Going to add one more: Steam.

    Steam has a built-in voice chat and chat channels for your friends.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    It depends on what you are using Discord for and replacing. While Steam has Video Sharing and voice and text chat, that is only part of what I use Discord for and it would be lacking for me, not to mention it isn't all available in one place in the UI. For others all they did with discord was make a text channel and a voice channel and used it and then Steam would be a drop in replacement that they already have.

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  • [–] 97 points 5 days ago* (40 children)

    Shout out to Fluxer.

    Still don't think its quite ready but its chugging along and its been fun following the progress. I know they have some big updates inbound. Hopefully people actually give it a shot and flip over to Fluxer.

    I'd also add that the "Proton" subscrition equivalent - "Plutonium", is a better value proposition. But I will admit, they still need to clear a few hurdles before even I feel completely comfortable ditching Discord.

    But its Open Source and it has a self-hosting option, along with the Quality of Life you expect from Discord in terms of the app layout, screen sharing, etc.

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  • [–] 57 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Open source is the way. It always amuses me when people move from one proprietary system to a different one, since the new one always ends up having the same issues.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 days ago

    That's because privatized companies spend money to promote their products while open source largely grows through word of mouth. The average person doesn't know about the issues of proprietary software nor the existence of an open source alternative, they just use whatever everyone else uses and everyone else ends up using whatever gets successfully marketed.

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    [–] 38 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Those people might be unhappy, but most of them will still refuse to move from the platform.

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    [–] 13 points 4 days ago

    And how exactly were we expecting it to go? 'Kind of bad'? 🤣

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  • [–] 45 points 5 days ago

    The way age verification is being pushed feels more like wanting to setting up checkpoints on the edge of a city versus just checking Id's before going into a specific establishment.

    I just don't see how this isn't a national login system trying to masquerade itself in a poorly fitting "think of the children!" sheep's skin.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    I've been using Fluxer and self hosting Fluxcord to sync my discord server with Fluxer, it's going great.

    https://fluxer.app/

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    [–] 12 points 4 days ago

    The same day I saw Discord's age verifying message, I uninstalled the app and moved to Matrix (to be fair, I was already on Matrix)

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  • [–] 27 points 5 days ago (8 children)

    Yeah, I know a couple of mods whose servers are in a bit of an uproar.

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    [–] 16 points 5 days ago (12 children)

    I recommend Stoat, it can be selfhosted, open source, there is no shady company behind it, and it works well. There even is top-notch noise filtering, which I found very important for voice calls.

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