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[–] 2 points 14 hours ago

With the current rate of companies trusting in AI and feeding internal data will lead to disaster in future. AI companies will control the market on the data they get and take advantage under the table and swallow all stocks/control companies/monopoly everything including nations. The future is really scary for me.

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  • [–] 222 points 3 days ago (20 children)

    Alternate headline: C-Suite Execs Come To The Realization That AI Costs Money

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  • [–] 88 points 3 days ago (15 children)

    And it's going to cost a whole lot more once the investments dry up and they're going to have to actually pay for all the data centers under construction.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago (11 children)

    Prolly not. When the bubble pops these data centers will be sold off for cents on the dollar and a bunch of the companies go bankrupt. There will be a glut of equipment, so prices will fall. People will buy up the scraps and provide compute services cheaper.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 days ago (5 children)

    You're more optimistic than I am. My bet is that when the bubble pops the government will step in to bail out these companies, especially household names like Nvidia, and none of the data center equipment ever finds its way into the hands of regular people. It's gonna get repurposed into a pillar of our surveillance hellscape, attempting to weed out people who are guilty of precrimes or thoughtcrimes, providing pretext to arrest political opponents and undesirables by going "they were dangerous! Our trillion dollar AI said so!"

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  • [–] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Nvidia is the one selling the shovels during the gold rush. They're not at risk of going bust.

    It's all the LLm companies leveraging themselves to the eye balls to buy Nvidia chips for their datacenters that are at risk.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Haven’t they invested like $100 billion or so in LLM companies though? I thought they were a big player in the Enron-esque cyclical investment scam they’re all running. Will be tough for them if they can’t recoup any of that.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    They've made several hundred billion off it though. Spending 100 billion to keep the hype train going is peanuts if it's making you over 100 billion a year in high-margin extra revenue.

    And much of that investment has been promises of future servers, etc. A lot of deals with dollar values attached to them take place with not nearly as many dollars changing hands.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 days ago

    Maybe, but that's temporary. The hardware has to be replaced after failures at minimum, if not sooner to upgrade. Yeah, there will be a period where the hardware may be cheaper, but the prices won't stay at that floor forever (though they obviously also won't be at the insane inflated prices of today).

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  • [–] 4 points 2 days ago

    Unlikely. They said that during the bitcoin and blockchain bubble too, and that didn't pop, it just deflated and everything got moved over to AI. AI is starting to deflate, but there will be a new bubble.

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    [–] 132 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Wait what? How? But wasn't AI the thing to make business save tons of money by replacing workers with an almost free "artificial worker"??

    Are you telling me that, as everyone and their mothers were saying, this was just a lie? Who could've thought?!

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  • [–] 71 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    I have a friend that works there. They told me about this, and I was like "per day?"

    I was not prepared to learn that the budget was less than a dollar per day. Might as well just stop using AI agents that that point.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I just want to put "$29 per month" into perspective:

    Imagine a white collar employee earning $100K per year. $100K / 250 working days is $400 per day. Payroll tax and benefits can easily add +50% to that, so it's not a stretch to guess that our hypothetical employee costs the employer $600 per day.

    $29 per 20 working days is about 1/4 of 1% of that cost.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Might as well just stop using AI agents that that point.

    I don't work at Accenture, but at a group that had a similar journey from adoption to scaling back to only the included tokens and I would say that is precisely the idea: giving up on 'Agentic' use of AI, but still have enough for some acceleration.

    From what I gather, in our group the findings were:

    • Obviously, it was costing a heavy chunk of change and then even more expensive when rates were hiked
    • There was no good way for them to even know what productive end the spend went toward, they know which employee expended a bunch of tokens, but no idea what they would have used it on
    • Despite a crank of volume of stuff, they weren't seeing any business value of the stuff. Requests still took about the same time to fulfill, etc
    • The most eager AI producers got ahead of their skis, and their stuff was useless because nothing and no one could reliably fix/tweak it after a certain point.
    • All the scary 'AI will ruin IT security' that the AI companies themselves have been expressing likely didn't help either.
    • Perhaps the most uncomfartable of all, they found out that however good or bad an AI project turns out to be, management can't tell the diference until it is too late. Being able to 'manage' the content has always been flawed, but the AI dials it up to eleven by 'looking' just right as a demo to someone that understands neither the customer nor the process of creating the work, but blows up in their faces in delivery. Kind of like how so many technology article writers breathlessly talked about the photoshop clone, despite many of them never having touched the relevant software, then heavy users reporting that it is actually shit, but the people writing about it have no context to know, but felt compelled to talk about it anyway. Those are management in the fields using AI.
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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    Ooh, it's the : build a prototype story!

    Dev, ok here's the 2 week built prototype, slammed together wildly fast, no architecture, no seatbelts. Don't push it in a demo.

    Manager: this Looks like a finalized project! Except a) and b), fix that, you got a day.

    Dev: we should productize it, to make it a solid product, it takes 3 months, then I can add a and b without it starting to smoke when used.

    Manager: No, I already shipped it.

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    [–] 52 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    The title is misleading. They didn't cap it, they just declared that if you are spending more than that, you have to be able to explain what you're spending it on and why, giving it a business reason and a project to associate the costs to, which I expect almost all Claude users at Accenture probably can. This is simply an accounting change, not a company-wide shutdown of Claude.

    Heavy use remains possible, but it now needs a budget owner.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    So only if it can be recharged to a customer

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago

    I mean, that's literally Accenture's default business model (same as almost any consulting/professional services company), so it shouldn't be surprising. My point is that it's not an indictment of AI, and their AI usage isn't actually going to go down; it's just Accenture doing Accenture things. They're not a charity, they're not using AI for fun, they're using it to make profit, and they make profit by charging their customers for every cent of AI they use on their behalf, usually with a hefty markup, in addition to everything and anything else they can justify charging against their customer's accounts. It's a very profitable business model, and I'm sure they love using AI for it and will continue using AI just as heavily if not even more in the future.

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    [–] 9 points 2 days ago

    What is this, Claude for ants?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    If AI makes you twice as productive, and there's fewer taxes on spending money for tokens than there is for spending money on salaries, the rational amount for a corporation to spend on it is more than a human's entire salary, per person working with it.

    Naively assuming corporations approximate rational actors, and AI does measurably improve productivity, this implies a gain of roughly 2% if these employees are earning federal minimum wage, or well below 1% if they earn average software developer wages.

    Maybe their contract deliverables are poorly suited to this use case or something, but if they are given a fixed amount of money to produce some software item, then it makes sense to prioritize productivity per dollar.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 days ago (9 children)

    If you're spending $1K per month on LLMs -- putting aside whether this is productive or ethical for a moment -- wouldn't it make more sense to just pony up the $5K-$10K or so that it would cost to provision a private, local model? Might that not actually be superior in terms of corporate security?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 days ago

    Not at the moment. It's definitely cheaper to buy LLMs as a service than running an in-house server hall. Anthropic and OpenAI are running at a loss, you know.

    Now, risking to lose your data to the service provider is another thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago

    Look at it this way, if I pay Open AI $1k a month, their people make sure it works they month. If I let Joe from finance spend $10k on computer parts, Joe needs to ensure that it runs or I need to hire someone who is knowledgeable on local models. If I'm a simple firm, $12k a year might be cheaper because someone else makes sure it works and I can fire Joe when the fancy autocorrect loses a bunch of clients by falsifying work. Then I don't have to spend even bigger bucks hiring a new Joe because no one knows how to work the damn server he replaced the break room with.

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    [–] 36 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Nevrr forget, Accenture used to be Arthur Anderson, of Enron infamy. They deserve any financial ruin they get, IMO.

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    [–] 6 points 2 days ago

    It brings me joy to know that corporations are trusting other corporations to not rip each other off. Wage theft is more lucrative than whatever product or service being sold. As if AI companies exists to help anyone other than themselves . The only way this works is if the largest paying companies work out some kind of kick back, pyramid, price fixing scheme. I really appreciate Claude for how it's assisted me in fixing things but I know that someday AI will exist solely for the rich.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago (13 children)

    Why even bother at all? What can you do with those tokens? Ask for the weather twice?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 days ago (12 children)

    The Haiku 5.5 model is actually quite inexpensive. I've used it to implement multiple features this month and have only spent $4 of my $20 monthly budget.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    The legacy code I'm managing is a clusterfuck of the highest order. Even Sonnet struggles to analyze it sometimes 😑

    I'm happy this is only a small part of my job, but oh my...

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    The $29 figure is doing a lot of quiet work in this story, because that's exactly what a Pro plan costs. So the real message isn't really a budget cap, it's 'stop expensing API tokens and expense a subscription instead'. I'd bet a chunk of that $1,000 spend was people wiring API access into internal tooling and prototypes, which feels productive right up until finance sees the invoice and has no idea what any of it maps to. The part that'll actually sting is that this is how a lot of shadow automation dies: not because it didn't work, but because nobody could explain the line item. At least a hard cap forces the conversation that should've happened months earlier.

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    [–] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

    In my company some of the top users spend over $3000/m. $29 is maybe 30 mins - 1 hour continuous running for a *medium" sized model like Sonnet. Not sure about cheaper models.

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    [–] 8 points 2 days ago*

    “You must use AI!”

    “No, no, no, no….not like that!”

    Just trying to shoehorn profit into a system that was never going to deliver one in the first place.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    That's basically saying that they shouldn't use Claude at all.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    I'm willing to bet that only a fraction of that spend was work task related.

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    [–] 5 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I didn't realize the business plans were token metered differently from the Pro plan I've been on for a while. $20/month, and it has session/weekly limits, but I rarely hit them, and I use it, a lot.

    I do wonder if this will encourage businesses to branch out into running local models for simpler tasks.

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