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[–] 49 points 3 days ago (28 children)
  • [–] 29 points 3 days ago (24 children)

    One of my least favorite tropes in sci-fi is ballistic weaponry being treated as ineffective simply because it's "old" technology. I really liked how they were handled in the Animorphs series. The Andalites and Yeerks both agreed that human firearms and missiles were "primitive, yet undeniably effective".

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  • [–] 20 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    Didn't the movie take it a step further?

    Guns couldn't get thru personal shields, so they were going to use a bow or throw a spear or something.

    But I think Star Wars logiced it away the best. Ballistic weapons take a shit ton of logistics, energy blasters could just be charged by anything electrical.

    It's less than an AR15 is worse in a single soldiers hands, it's that a blaster is easier to get into millions of troopers hands and keep them firing.

    That 100% makes sense, and once militaries made the switch, it would make ballistic ammo insanely expensive and only used by wealthy bounty hunters, and only then in scenarios where they need the narrow advantage. They'd still default to a blaster.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 days ago

    Guns couldn't get thru personal shields, so they were going to use a bow or throw a spear or something.

    That's almost a trope, too. In the Dune series it is the same, so consequently hand-to-hand combat is the norm. And even in Stargate Apophis had a personal shield protecting him from both staff weapons and Tauri projectile weapons until SG1 (I think it was O'Neill himself but it's been a hot minute s8nice I watched that episode) watched his guards pass him a staff weapon and O'Neill threw his knife through the shield in response.

    Also, in Star Wars projectile weapons were still a thing (called sluggers or slug throwers), for example with the Sand People. And Jedi hunters often used slug throwers since projectiles could not be deflected by lightsabers, Mandalorians used this during their wars against the Jedi.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    In Stargate, the ballistic weaponry was the most effective measure against the Replicators (until they eventually developed the special anti-replicator weapon). Asgard technology was decades ahead of our own, but they had to admit that shotguns were actually better at defending from Replicators than any weapon they had.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Also ballistic weaponry was remarkably effective against the jaffa and human soldiers of the goauld because, despite the system lord's technological edge, they had focused on using terror tactics to cow primitive cultures and when facing more advanced civilizations stuck to orbital bombardment so never really developed personal armaments aside from their own personal shields, which they didn't give to their troops.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago

    This, recruits, is a 20-kilo ferrous slug. Feel the weight! Every five seconds, the main gun of an Everest-class Dreadnought accelerates one to 1.3 percent of light speed. It impacts with the force of a 38-kiloton bomb. That is three times the yield of the city buster dropped on Hiroshima back on Earth. That means: Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son-of-a-bitch in space!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    ballistic weaponry being treated as ineffective simply because it’s “old” technology

    I mean, from a supply chain perspective, it's much nicer to have a weapon that never runs out of ammo and has very few moving parts, especially when you're deep in the field.

    Idk if I'd say the problem is that they're "old" so much as they're "solved" (various scifi alien shields tend to be great at blocking ballistics).

    And I think that's supposed to go to the existential horror of alien civilizations. Not that guns, specifically, are ineffective. But that humans feel impotent in the face of foreign invasion.

    The movie Alien 2 makes firearms ineffective with wave attacks of alien drones running the Marines out of ammunition, for instance. And more primitive weapons like knives and short range explosives risk throwing acid blood back at your face. They're very effective at first, but increasingly useless as the fight drags on.

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    [–] 2 points 2 days ago*

    dr who is the OMNI-tricorder, energy emitter, data storage.its signifincantly more powerful than a phaser. as variants of the sonic devices: sonic laser, cannon, umbrella,,,etc. in like the 1st few episodes of the 9th doctor, the sonic gun can disitengrate a wall in a second.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 days ago

    Shoulda been the p90... , or at least a Zat or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Now there's an oft forgotten body horror.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    Sorry, it's gotta be Star Who, to fit the pattern. I don't make the rules.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    on the other hand, this now has me curious about the exploits of the other doctors - Dr. Wars, Dr. Trek and Dr. Gate

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    The way I always saw it.

    Star Wars was the every man sci-fi

    Star Trek was the thinking mans sci-fi

    Stargate was the military mans sci-fi

    I get that this is a gross over generization, but Star Trek pushed the whole "Prime Directive" thing, where Stargate said "There are few problems you cant solve by arming the locals with P90s".

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  • [–] 9 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Sir, this a Wendy's Star Trek community.

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    [–] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    For late 80s Doctor Who, C4 and a baseball bat is also an option.

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    [–] 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

    How does one put up shelves with a phaser?

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    [–] 7 points 3 days ago (6 children)

    Can you set a laser sword to overcharge and blow up?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 days ago* (2 children)

    That depends on who the writer is. But a helpful equivalent might be to imagine trying to do the same thing to something like a laptop battery. It's certainly possible, and probably not all that difficult under controlled circumstances. But doing it on a whim, "in the field" is probably difficult to accomplish on purpose, and there certainly isn't a button you can press to make it happen because that would be incredibly dangerous to have on something you carry with you and use every day.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

    In Dune, yes. Shooting a shield with a laser creates a nuclear explosion equivalent.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Yield depends greatly on the shield and laser settings. The only reason that one instance goes the way it does is because the shield were set to protect from a single direction, at full power, and the lasers were randomly sweeping the ground at maximum power trying to blindly roast stragglers. The single direction setting on the shield carried the most weight, usually the energy would be roughly evenly divided in all directions. In more standard fights with average shield use and laser settings, you are going to get a blast closer to a fragmentation grenade than a nuke. The biggest problem is it will happen at a completely random point along the beam, so it still isn't an attractive proposition.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (8 children)

    C4 is clearly the best choice, as a sonic screwdriver is unable to deal with wooden doors and light sabers take time to get through blast doors. Both of which C4 has no issue with.

    I have not seen enough Trek to compare.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago*

    actually sonic screwdrivers can. in the "newer' series thier screwdrivers can lock/unlock doors at will, or produce an energy field. i think it was the 11th doctor series, where he was seen using on one of the wooden doors.

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