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[–] [M] 122 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Pre-empting this to ask everyone to please remain civil.

We know that caffeine is poisonous to deer and that this is a sensitive topic. The Onion has great tips and tricks to help you remain calm in the moment.

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    [–] 12 points 5 days ago (29 children)
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    [–] 10 points 5 days ago (8 children)

    lemmy when you talk about killing politicians πŸ‘Œ

    lemmy when you mention third parties 😀

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  • [–] 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    We need to dismantle a large portion of the primary parties to make third parties viable.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    Or you could... vote in the primaries?

    The US has a convoluted run-off system that really should be simplified, but you can vote to select which of the two finalists will stand in the general election. Of course it falls apart for MAGA and leftist types (basically the same kind of people) that think if the majority of people voted for someone they don't like it must be because the system is somehow rigged.

    Everyone in my social media bubble thinks the same way so there's no way people voted for someone who's not MAGA/communist! The system must be rigged!

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (1 child)

    In most states, primaries are how a party picks its own nominee. Voting in the Democratic or Republican primary chooses which Democrat or Republican is on the November ballot. It doesn’t help a third party at all. Many third parties don’t use state-run primaries; they nominate at conventions. And in closed-primary states, like Maryland, you can only vote in the primary of the party you’re registered with.

    The bigger hurdles come before and after the primary. First, a third party has to get on the ballot. That usually means collecting petition signatures or meeting a vote or registration threshold, and the rules differ by state. Then the candidate has to win a plurality in the general election, where the spoiler dynamic pushes voters back toward the two major parties. Primaries don’t change either of those.

    Some primary systems make it worse. California and Washington use β€œtop-two” primaries, where only the two highest finishers advance regardless of party. Third-party candidates almost never place top two, so they’re usually absent from the November ballot entirely.

    The system is wired against third parties. They have to work significantly harder just to be eligible to be voted for.

    That's why you can't "Just vote in the primaries"

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    [–] 16 points 6 days ago* (74 children)

    Which of the two major parties stands against capitalism again?

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  • [–] 15 points 6 days ago (10 children)

    Neither, unfortunately, but we have a two-party system, and one side is openly fascist, so I would advise that anyone who doesn't like fascism vote for the other non-fascist (arguably less-fascist) party.

    I don't like voting for the "lesser evil" and wish things were better, but voting for unviable candidates out of a sense of blind idealism is worse, because it empowers the most regressive movements to succeed.

    We don't currently live in a real democracy, but we have a chance to turn things around. If you decide to give up and let the fascists win, you're one of the bad guys.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    We need Ranked Choice Voting and Mixed Member Proportional districting to reduce the need for strategic voting.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 days ago (15 children)

    Which anti-capitalist third-party has even a 0.000001% chance of winning enough seats to be an impediment to Trump?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago (31 children)

    Which third party has a chance to actually win or do something and isn't just throwing your vote out?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    All of them, complain about non-voters not voters.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 days ago

    Okay let's see. We have a large part of the population who just won't vote. Voter apathy is real.

    Of the Democrats and Republicans, you have about 2/3 of each party that are voting like it's a sports team. They'll never change and they'll never think.

    The thinking people who vote for each party understand that the third party has no chance and they're trying to sway things generally in their direction.

    So the third party victory plan, if I have it correct, is to overcome voter apathy, and also to sway some people who are voting like a sports team from both parties.

    If that's your plan for victory, then you don't have a plan for victory. And you're just wasting your vote.

    Call me cynical, but I think third parties are funded by people outside the country to sway the election. Just like they only thaw out Jill Stein every 4 years to steal votes from the Democrats, and then they park her in a Russian freezer somewhere for the rest of the time.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    Part of building a viable alternative is getting enough votes for consistant ballot access and other resources that are afforded by default to the two primary parties. Winning comes in degrees.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 days ago* (2 children)

    Yet Jill Stein vanishes for four years between Presidential elections and does absolutely nothing to support a third party coalition at the state and local level.

    And she somehow deserves your vote for simply not being a D or R? Yeah nah.

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    [–] 4 points 5 days ago

    Remember when USA hasn't had a democracy based on a 2 party chockehold?
    Yeah that never happened...
    All that shit about don't vote 3rd party and ranked choice is to distract that in a real representative democracy half of this shit would have never happened or be already fixed.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 days ago

    But he still votes!

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