The contempt Proton is showing for their users is astounding. They not only think people will fall for this transparent act of damage control, but they also have the gall to shift blame onto the users.

Go read the comments. Obvious bots are posting praise and many critical comments are being deleted by the moderators.

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[–] 2 points 29 minutes ago

Migrate your stuff, cancel your subscriptions, be completely ready to be banned from your account when you then get a credit card chargeback from your bank.

That's what I did, years ago when Andy Yen was praising fascists on social media.

Get that chargeback. Just be fully migrated away first because they WILL block your access to your account whem it goes through.

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    Read through the post and the comments. Most of the comments are people pointing this out for what it is - a sanctioned attempt by Proton (from someone who appears to be a personal friend of Yen) at changing the narrative. It doesn't change my mind at all, and actually hardens me to the idea of moving.

    A genuine post by a lower-level employee below was more interesting, but the core of it is: Yen goes or we go.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    So they're openly admitting that they're using Reddit for astroturfing now? I didn't click the link because fuck reddit, but no doubt they have armies of shill accounts boosting their PR image. They probably even have reps inside PR to manage all of it, and might even be paying them for that privilege.

    It's hilarious how both Reddit and Proton keep digging deeper into the holes they created for themselves.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago*

    Reddit just sells bot access to advertisers. The whole thing now is instead of seo is ai search optimization. Which in reality is just a bunch of Israeli companies who use ai to AstroTurf posts for other companies many of which are political, or for PR companies. They also do product placement type stuff but that's less interesting.

    Basically if there's a unique sentence on the internet and you Google something close to that sentence google will present it as fact, also google prefers to show latest search results so the idea is you just constantly flood the internet with similarly worded ai written articles, reddit bots, etc and you own the search result. They did it with the whole open ai hacked huggingface controversy, that was ran by a Israeli ad company that just shits out ai articles in mass to manipulate our search algorithms.

    And you cant talk out against it, reddit, tiktok, etc all owned by Israel interest now so you get censored.

    Basically GW from mgs

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  • [–] 20 points 15 hours ago

    ThE CeO pRaIsInG FaScIsTs DoEsNT AfFeCt tHe PrOducT

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  • [–] 16 points 15 hours ago*

    Go read the comments? Why give them the patronage?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Wow. They really don't get their customer base

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  • [–] 41 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Christ, who's doing their damage control? The church of Scientology??

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  • [–] 64 points 20 hours ago

    Somehow Proton is making it even worse. Just when I thought it couldn't get worse.

    Watching this CEO ripping down his own company & calling employees losers is wild stuff. But many saw it coming after his pro-gop remarks. He is who he is, and this was imminent with Andy remaining in charge after that.

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  • [–] 9 points 15 hours ago* (2 children)

    Isn’t it ironic that proton used to be the go-to VPN to circumvent Reddit bans? Ever wonder why that shit stopped working??

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  • [–] 61 points 22 hours ago

    Proton is not rushing into AI without concern for safety, it is actually being done very carefully.

    “stop lovingly handcrafting all our code and use AI more.”

    One of these is not like the other.

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  • [–] 113 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    perception is more important than truth

    That's all I need to read.

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  • [–] 25 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

    Proton have marketed themselves exceptionally well, comments suggesting they are not what they seem have always been met with a lot of downvotes. They marketed themselves into a brand receiving the same blind adoration as a sporting tam.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Sometimes it feels like the other way around too. So much hate and few reasonable discussions, like where to go?

    I'm on proton, and maybe I have been fooled but then where to go? Switzerland has one of the best privacy laws on the planet, the services are stellar (IMO), and yeah fuck the C-Suits, but google, mullvad, etc? No thank you.

    It's so infuriating.

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    [–] 1 point 9 hours ago (3 children)

    I don't use proton services because I thought the community told me not to use them because they give up your information or something a few years ago.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    They had to follow a lawful subpoena, it's not like with ring where the police just ask and ring just sends your footage without consulting you.

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  • [–] 25 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    If they were given permission then they were given a script as well, pos CEO can't stop posing.

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  • [–] 49 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

    At Proton, the engineering and product management roles are merging and we call this new discipline "Product Engineering". Proton also mostly hires product managers with engineering backgrounds. It means we stop hiring engineers who just code, and hire instead product engineers who also exercise product judgment that AI doesn’t have, not that we don’t hire engineers at all.

    eugh

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  • [–] 54 points 23 hours ago

    “Leakers”

    “This hurts me”

    Obvious appeals to emotion, like all big tech manipulation.

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  • [–] 10 points 17 hours ago

    Reddit is pointless now

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago

    Some reddit employees do the same to their pile of shit. It's easy to drink the coolaid from the inside, especially if you think it'll help you get ahead.

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  • [–] 16 points 20 hours ago

    Proton's devs are hopefully better than their PR team. And at this rate both will need new jobs soon.

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  • [–] 23 points 22 hours ago (17 children)

    So where now, any suggestions?
    I use proton for email and password management.

    I'm happy to pay for a product so long as it isn't lining the pockets of abhorrent people.

    Getting real tired of seemingly having to sit down and research who I'm give my money to, can't we just stop being hateful bastards for a while?

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  • [–] 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

    Go piecemeal. Proton is a good deal if you actually use all their services, otherwise it's overpriced.

    For mail, mailbox.org, posteo.de, and fastmail.net seem to have good reputations. They'll all allow you to bring your own domain (edit: not Posteo, my mistake), which I highly recommend so that it'll be easy to switch providers again when whichever one you choose turns to shit (yes, I say when, not if, because I am just that jaded at this point).

    For passwords, there are a lot of choices, but the most future-proof is probably to keep a local Keepass DB and sync it across devices any damn way you want. Bitwarden used to be good but I don't know anymore. They've backed away from open source a bit recently, and I can't even tell at a glance what their free plan offers anymore. Maybe look at https://vaultwarden.com/ instead.

    For VPN and storage...I dunno. There are a lot, and most of them seem kind of shady tbh. I'd be interested in hearing others' advice on this since I'm not sure what's good these days.

    Edit: I'd REALLY like to hear recommendations for Docs and especially Sheets. Everything else I've used is a UX nightmare, particularly on mobile.

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