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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It would be absolutely hilarious if Musk actually set up his own party, financed it all the way to the Congress, got offended because people didn't lick is arse deep enough, got kicked out for being annoying and accidentally created an actual pro-people alternative to all these corporate vampires.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 hours ago

Heh. Prior to this year I could not have believe such a thing was even possible. But this year...

[–] freewheel@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For some of us, the 2016 Democratic primary was quite illuminating. I'm glad to see people are catching up finally.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

sO yOu ArE sAyInG "bOtH sIDeS eQuAlLy BaD"?!?!?!

cOnGrAtULaTiOnS oN gEtTiNg TrUmP eLeCtEd!! :(

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's like the second you notice parallels in our two party system, they misrepresent you as saying they are EXACTLY the same in EVERY REGARD.

Meanwhile, we no longer question why we only have two parties to vote for in the first place. Hint: the two parties keep it that way.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago
[–] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

You are right.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Follow the money, perhaps? Cui bono

It's like how Disney makes a big deal about being progressive while making a movie about a space cop who uses her weapons to intimidate indigenous populations.

[–] aaron@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 day ago (8 children)

the poorest most easily manipulated people

The people who would benefit the most from Democrat-championed social programs that they now label as "radical" and "socialist" you mean?*

 

*Which is not some blanket endorsement of Democrats. A lot of them are also out of touch, too conservative, and still trying to run the country like it's 1952. I'm eagerly awaiting the rise of a viable 3rd party (but after all these decades I'm not really holding my breath) or the implosion of the Democrats. I was aghast that Trump somehow pulled them right instead of left, but maybe it will result in an implosion from which Bernie, AOC, Jasmine Crockett and such can bring a phoenix out of the ashes.

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[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the Dems are in cahoots with the same elite that are in cahoots with the Reps. the dems and reps pretend to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, but they are both sucking up to capitalists and their corporations

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By definition that makes them all rightwing authoritarians aka fascists, which checks out.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What it actually makes them is zionist controlled opposition. You don't get zionist occupied government without having zionist occupied parties. The US government does whatever is good for Israel even if it is bad for the American people, so yes, we have zionist occupied government.

So you shouldn't be surprised that the current in power dems have more loyalty to that than any ideology / policy take. It's a club and they have to maintain it by controlling who's in it.

The guy, unfortunately for him, has a very human and natural position on Gazan genicide. And that's just not permissible.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago

Crazy how much people at large have moved past the whole religious zealotry thing, but the people in charge are still having their holy wars and crusades, fulfilling their biblical prophecies and "divine right." I thought for those in charge this whole religion thing was just a mechanism for power, what's crazy to me is it actually looks like they believe that shit.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party are not friends to the people. They get rich being the opposition party and will only do the bare minimum necessary to get you to not vote the monsters back in, which is one of the reasons far-right parties are getting a draw world-wide when the alternative is neoliberalism.

We have to force radical change (the no brainer stuff like social safety nets, massive justice reform, and massive election reform).

The Sword of Damocles is twofold: the revolution of the people, and the wrath of rival dictators. And it's not to be blunted, but to keep our officials serving the public rather than their own private interests.

🧵⚔

[–] lb_o@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

It is so pleasant to see that people in the US understand that.

This is the extreme example, but if you look at Russia, that separation between the public and the politics had happened a long time ago. Now it is impossible to even convince people that politics has to serve their interests, and not the rich. And we see with the invasion how these lofeviews eventually unfolds.

Wish Americans to be strong in their transformation into the real civil society. And wish you luck and to have required support for this transformation.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 149 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Don't forget Bernie.

DNC had the same exact response. With the same exact Trump.

Took the DNC ten fucking years to pull their head out of their ass long enough to complain about young men populism being the key to victory, despite literally pissing away all the young men populism voters they had with Bernie Sanders.

Thank fuck it's now blatantly obvious with Zohran.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is something people are missing with Bernie. Bernie does happen to be Jewish, but he is not a Zionist, unlike for example Chuck Shumer. Then Hillary is not Jewish but she is a Zionist.

The control system prefers Zionists for legislative positions but they absolutely require Zionists for administrative positions. So much so they won't let someone escape a primary without the machine kicking into play. Even at the state level.

[–] derry@midwest.social 26 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I'm not confident they will get it this time. Or care

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[–] Draegur@lemmy.zip 231 points 2 days ago (19 children)

If they're not with Zohran, they're against Democracy.

I mean this is kind of obvious at this point that the democrats and the republicans are both anti-democracy, just one covertly and the other overtly. But still. I want more people getting loud and angry at anti-democracy democrats.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 74 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean at this rate with about %70 of democrats saying no to Bernie's stop arm sales motions, we can already safely assume yes they are. They have only been caring about their seats for quite a while and the deals they have made to stay on those seats do not align with the aims and interests of people like Bernie and Zohran. That is why they try to stop such candidates as ferociously as Republicans.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 125 points 2 days ago (13 children)

So funny to see in real time the difference between their phony outrage over Trump’s arguably monstrous policies, VS their genuine fear over a socialist winning a mayoral race.

This is why everyone who claims the way to fix Dems is via primaries is wrong. Dems will lie, cheat, or simply not hold primaries altogether, rather than risk an actual leftist winning the nomination.

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[–] Cattail@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

we shall destroy the democratic party and rebuild it in our image

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

And then we will get rid of the awful and outdated "First Past the Post" style of voting and the Electoral College. Maybe do some term limits for Supreme Court justices as well.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's fun watching you kids realize that the Democratic party isn't the place to go for real change. I was there after Kucinich lost the primary in 2000 and then when Gore gave up fighting for his votes.

Also: You have to vote for them no matter how much you hate them. If Fetterman wins his primary next time I MUST vote for him or I am letting Republicans win.

As opposed to Chuck Schumer who also lets Republicans win.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Helping a Fetterman win means not only does another republican win, but a republican now has power within the democratic party. Every Pelosi will have to lose an election, primary or general if we are to get a party that even desires to stop the Republicans.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Republicans have had power in the Democratic Party for decades. Lieberman, Manchin, Sinema, and probably more I don’t remember.

And everyone makes excuses for them rather than kicking them out.

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Exactly, so when a Chuck Schumer wins a primary, feel no compulsion to vote for them in the general. Vote Blue No Matter Who folks were wrong the whole time.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 104 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I wonder what all the people who shamed 3rd party voters will say if establishment Democrats start throwing their support behind an independent Cuomo.

[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (15 children)

This one would say all the things Harris would have done wrong are still better than all the things Trump is doing wrong. I'm not and have not been a fan of Harris. She's still not Trump.

Edit: While I actually did not truly shame anyone for their vote (I hope) it was always true that third party vote was going to help Trump get in, and I do think folks shouldn’t pretend it wasn’t true. If you are going to make a principled vote in the name of sending a message, I think it’s only reasonable to be honest about the effects of that decision.

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[–] FriskyDingo@sh.itjust.works 73 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's funny how hot Gillibrand got over Zohran, but hasn't really said a peep in the last 5ish months of all... this.

It's certainly curious.

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[–] itspatato@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago

DNC=Divide N Conquer

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