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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

yeah, this is a direct result of the greatest victory against car culture by Dutch moms in the 70s. Car brain makes you dependent on a whole compact of ideology, industry and city planning that keeps people dependent on cars. You are only a "full human" when you get your driver's licence and can afford fuel (priced according to whatever war is going on in the world at the moment).

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

So, if both American and Dutch parents value independence, why do Dutch kids seem so much happier? I wonder if the key difference lies in how both sets of parents understand what freedom for kids looks like.

“Dutch parenting is all about raising self-sufficient kids,” Tracy told me. “My older two (ages 12 and 14) bike more than 10 kilometers (6 miles) daily to school since there are no school buses.

“If a teacher cancels a class, students just have free time instead of a substitute. My 14-year-old had two canceled classes this morning and simply stayed home until noon. This would be a logistical nightmare for schools and parents if we didn’t just expect our kids to sort it out.”

Dutch parenting, according to the close to a dozen parents in the Netherlands I spoke with, emphasizes allowing children a freedom of movement that many American kids don’t have. When I was in Haarlem and Amsterdam, bikes and little kids on bikes were everywhere.

Good article. We moved to an open concept neighborhood (low open fences, not “privacy” style) and the kids have a lot of movement around the neighborhood since it’s safe, and it has a lot of trails, wide sidewalks, and bike lanes. Yes, it’s more affluent. They’ve definitely been a lot happier than our last house where privacy fences were everywhere. They made friends a lot faster and seem to know everyone.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 2 points 21 hours ago

Honestly that quote sounds a lot like my childhood in Minnesota in the late 80s and early 90s.

Some of that might be rosy retrospection but I wonder how much this has changed in the US over the years.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I grew up in the suburbs of a midwestern city, where we could run into the woods to play army or ride bikes in a closed neighborhood (not gated, just no through traffic) or walk from yard to yard with no fences except for houses with pools or walk to the next neighborhood over. We were free to explore as long as we didn't cross certain streets and came home by dark. We walked to the bus stop to go to school.

Contrast that to where I live now in a major metropolitan city where kids never see "the woods", can't safely ride bikes anywhere but bike paths, have tall privacy fences blocking both socializing but also blocking multi-yard sports areas, have no "neighborhoods," and have to be driven by parents in a car directly to school (where they have to wait in a line of 100 cars to pick up kids everyday). How can kids ever become self sufficient? They have to be parented every minute of their lives until they are 16. It's wild.

But that is in the US. When I visit Europe there are kids by themselves on the subway going wherever a 10 year old needs to go.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In suburban North America... steps outside you have nothing but roads with cars going 50km/h+, no shops or cafes to walk to because of zoning laws, maybe a small park a 15 minute walk away.

You have to have your parents take you places, you cannot go anywhere alone. In the USA you also have to worry about potential shooters because people play fast and loose with gun laws there.

[–] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 3 points 21 hours ago

maybe a small park a 15 minute walk away

This is really dependent on where you live in the US. I just checked and the house I grew up in was within a 15 minute or less walk of 7 parks and 15 minutes isn't really that far to walk. Especially in the US.

[–] pawnstorm@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s hard to overstate the impact cars have on childhood. As a parent I’m not worried about some rando snatching my kid, I’m worried about someone hitting them with a car. There are so many places in the US where it is unsafe to walk, and there’s a reason why our traffic deaths are going up while the rest of the world’s are going down.

I’m active in trying to make my city a place where kids can have the freedom to explore and grow, but it definitely feels like a “planting a tree the shade of which you will never know” situation.

[–] YorickX@feddit.nl 11 points 2 days ago

Keep planting those trees, you might not enjoy the shade but can appreciate the grass growing around it.

[–] winkly@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Bike Culture > car culture

[–] sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But seriously, wear a helmet. I just saw an elderly dude crash with a young lady, both on bikes, today in Harderwijk. He was bleeding from his head, and he wasn’t even going fast

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I saw a lady carrying 3 kids in a bakfiets...no helmets...because it's that naturally safe. It's like water to a fish...

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)