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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 2 points 44 minutes ago

People Google questions like that? I would have looked up "Heat" in either Wikipedia or imdb and checked the cast list. Or gone to Jolie's Wikipedia or imdb pages to see if Heat is listed

[–] nickiam2@aussie.zone 62 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I think the trick here is to not use Google. The Wikipedia page for the movie heat is the first result on DuckDuckGo

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 15 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You can also search Wikipedia directly.

[–] ___@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago

Yup, using the bang !w anywhere within the search

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[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 13 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

I use duck duck go as well. I wish it wasn't just anonymised Bing search. One of these days I'll look into an open source independent search engine.

[–] kalpol@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

Searxng maybe?

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[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

DDG also has a quick answer AI

[–] nickiam2@aussie.zone 2 points 17 hours ago

Its does, but its less annoying and actually has an off switch

[–] serenissi@lemmy.world 32 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

How can she be fertile if her ovaries are removed?

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Because you're not getting an answer to a question, you're getting characters selected to appear like they statistically belong together given the context.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

A sentence saying she had her ovaries removed and that she is fertile don't statistically belong together, so you're not even getting that.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You think that because you understand the meaning of words. LLM AI doesn't. It uses math and math doesn't care that it's contradictory, it cares that the words individually usually came next in it's training data.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It has nothing to do with the meaning. If your training set consists of a bunch of strings consisting of A's and B's together and another subset consisting of C's and D's together (i.e. [AB]+ and [CD]+ in regex) and the LLM outputs "ABBABBBDA", then that's statistically unlikely because D's don't appear with A's and B's. I have no idea what the meaning of these sequences are, nor do I need to know to see that it's statistically unlikely.

In the context of language and LLMs, "statistically likely" roughly means that some human somewhere out there is more likely to have written this than the alternatives because that's where the training data comes from. The LLM doesn't need to understand the meaning. It just needs to be able to compute probabilities, and the probability of this excerpt should be low because the probability that a human would've written this is low.

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 4 points 17 hours ago

Honestly this isn't really all that accurate. Like, a common example when introducing the Word2Vec mapping is that if you take the vector for "king" and add the vector for "woman," the closest vector matching the resultant is "queen." So there are elements of "meaning" being captured there. The Deep Learning networks can capture a lot more abstraction than that, and the Attention mechanism introduced by the Transformer model greatly increased the ability of these models to interpret context clues.

You're right that it's easy to make the mistake of overestimating the level of understanding behind the writing. That's absolutely something that happens. But saying "it has nothing to do with the meaning" is going a bit far. There is semantic processing happening, it's just less sophisticated than the form of the writing could lead you to assume.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Unless they grabbed discussion forums that happened to have examples of multiple people. It's pretty common when talking about fertility, problems in that area will be brought up.

People can use context and meaning to avoid that mistake, LLMs have to be forced not to through much slower QC by real people (something Google hates to do).

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

It's not even words, it "thinks" in "word parts" called tokens.

[–] Cordyceps@sopuli.xyz 8 points 20 hours ago

And the text even ends with a mention of her being in early menopause...

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 113 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Why do people Google questions anyway? Just search "heat cast" or "heat Angelina Jolie". It's quicker to type and you get more accurate results.

[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 11 points 20 hours ago

Why use many word when few work

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I just tested. "Angelina jolie heat" gives me tons of shit results, I have to scroll all the way down and then click on "show more results" in order to get the filmography.

"Is angelina jolie in heat" gives me this bluesky post as the first answer and the wikipedia and IMDb filmographies as 2nd and 3rd answer.

So, I dunno, seems like you're wrong.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago

both queries give me poor results and searching "heat cast" reveals that she is not actually in the movie, so that's probably why you can't find anything useful

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's why you just add "movie" to the search.

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[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because that's the normal way in which humans communicate.

But for Google more specifically, that sort of keyword prompts is how you searched stuff in the '00s... Nowadays the search prompt actually understands natural language, and even has features like "people also ask" that are related to this.

All in all, do whatever works for you, it's just that asking questions isn't bad.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Google is not a human so why would you communicate with it as if it were a human? unlike chatgpt it's not designed to answer questions, it's designed to search for words on webpages

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Except Google has been optimizing for natural language questions for the last decade or so. Try it sometime, it's really wild

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[–] ERROR_100_000_100@infosec.pub 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

"How to to describe a character in my story hiding a body after they committed a murder?"

⬇️

"killed someone, how to hide body?"

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 17 hours ago

see? it's easy

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

As a funny challenge I like to come up with simplified, stupid-sounding, 3-word search queries for complex questions, and more often than not it's good enough to get me the information I'm looking for.

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[–] Bongles@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

You've sullied my quick answer:

The assistant figures it out though:

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Maybe that's why ai had trouble determining anything about AJ & the movie Heat, because she's wasn't even in it!

[–] daerion@feddit.org 230 points 1 day ago (13 children)

Google was fine as it was before, now it does shit like this. I hate how AI is shoved down our throats. And the results on google nowadays feel so much worse and generic than a few years ago. That isn't just a feeling I have, right?

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 90 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Add obscenities to your search for the most optimized results. It drops the AI component and seems to provide the more direct results we used to get.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They’re an ad company that just happens to offer search as a way to show ads.

Their ideal scenario is one where you search forever and never find what you were looking for.

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[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 100 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn't removing your ovaries and fallopian tubes make you not "fertile" by definition?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, it contradicts itself within the next couple of sentences.

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 46 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Is it considered normal to type out a normal question format when using search engines?

If I were looking for an answer instead of making a funny meme, I'd search "heat movie cast Angelina Jolie" if I didn't feel like putting any effort in.

Then again, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I've seen someone use their phone to search google "what is 87÷167?" instead of doing "87/167" or like... Opening the calculator....

People do things in different, sometimes weird ways.

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[–] otacon239@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It also contradicts itself immediately, saying she’s fertile, then immediately saying she’s had her ovaries removed end that she’s reached menopause.

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